10-17-2014, 04:35 PM | #21 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
I think in GURPS, you really don't want to get hung up on the names of Skills any more than you do on the names of Advantages.
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10-17-2014, 09:05 PM | #22 | |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
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10-18-2014, 03:14 PM | #23 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
So basically, if there's a guy in charge who doesn't physically help with ship operations, use Shiphandling/Crewman, but if the guy in charge helps physically, use Boating? That's an easy delineation to make. It might raise some eyebrows when it comes to sailors switching between Boating and Crewman based on if the captain is physically helping or not, but it works nicely for the captain.
Perhaps crewmen should use the better of Crewman or Boating? But that doesn't sit well with a sailor on a nuclear aircraft carrier performing duties with Boating. That break actually seems more problematic than the one between Shiphandling and Boating.
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10-18-2014, 03:46 PM | #24 |
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10-18-2014, 04:09 PM | #25 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
Boating/Crewman=Operation of the vessel
Shiphandling=Operation of the crew operating the vessel Might make more sense to think of Shiphandling as Crewhandling. And you can do both at the same time, Shiphandling and Crewman, you just get the "doing two things at once" penalty. IMO, you could have a version of Shiphandling to manage the crew of a multi-oared boat, but I would probably default it to Shiphandling as-is, since they're really accomplishing the same thing. My 2¢ (Sorry, no references right now.)
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10-18-2014, 04:39 PM | #26 | |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
After rereading the two descriptions, I don't see Seaman applies to small craft - although if it did, it'd make life easier. Boating looks to include Seaman and Shiphandling, where for large vessels, the two are split. Boating does mention that you use Crewman/Shiphandling split when the vessel's "bridge" requires multiple crew and a captain:
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10-20-2014, 11:53 AM | #28 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
The one arguing against it said it was "aesthetic"—the problem is that we don't have a skill specific to "commanding the crew of a small oar-driven boat," which is remedied one of two ways: use Shiphandling (the closest analogue), or make a new one (which is just going to be a version of Shiphandling). Whichever makes you (non-specific) feel better.
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10-20-2014, 12:53 PM | #29 | |
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An important part of the cox's job is to assist the teamwork of the rowers, by keeping the time and advising them during the race: in the usual setup, the cox is the only one who can see all the rowers, and the only one who can see any of their faces. Eight-rower boats are always coxed, and can't coordinate well enough to make good speed without one. Coxless four-rower is a separate event from coxed four-rower and coxless is harder. Two-rower is sometimes coxed, but my impression is that it's just less useful for pairs. When people start learning to row in fours and eights, the first thing to learn seems to be the teamwork and taking direction from the cox. Every autumn on the River Cam, the sight of eights of freshman students completely failing to coordinate provides free entertainment. |
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10-20-2014, 01:59 PM | #30 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
I did competitive rowing at school, and I'd modify that a little. A team of eight competent oarsmen will take their time from the stroke (the rower closest to the stern), not the cox; the cox will tell him when to take it relatively easy and when to go for a sprint, but the stroke-to-stroke timing is his job.
So without a cox the eight can certainly make good speed, but what it won't do is go in anything like a straight line.
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