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Old 06-07-2012, 08:42 PM   #51
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Of course what I actually said that was oxygen was a product of anaerobic metabolisms.
Source? I've never seen this, anywhere and chemically it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Which it must have been because anaerobic metabolisms were the only game in town.
What about autotrophs?
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Of course the OP's species isn't anaerobic. They're like plants only improbably active.
Why? How?
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:49 PM   #52
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Source? I've never seen this, anywhere and chemically it doesn'tmake a lot of sense to me. What about autotrophs? Why? How?
Why is it that you think that autotrophs can't be anaerobic?
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:51 PM   #53
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Source? I've never seen this, anywhere and chemically it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Well, it's clearly true that the organisms that gave rise to the oxygen atmosphere were not themselves oxygen breathers (since you can't get oxygen breathers until you first have oxygen), ergo they are anaerobic.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:52 PM   #54
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Why is it that you think that autotrophs can't be anaerobic?
I don't. Autotrophs can use either form of respiration but respiration isn't the same thing as synthesis. One is oxidation and the other reduction. They are opposite processes.
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Well, it's clearly true that the organisms that gave rise to the oxygen atmosphere were not themselves oxygen breathers (since you can't get oxygen breathers until you first have oxygen), ergo they are anaerobic.
Chemo- or Photo- synthesis of sugars isn't breathing.

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If I'm wrong show me the reaction that has Sugar as a reactant and O2 as a product and the organism that uses it.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:05 PM   #55
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Chemo- or Photo- synthesis of sugars isn't breathing.
Didn't say it was. If it doesn't use oxygen, it's anaerobic, whether or not any breathing is involved. You may be focused on a particular biology definition of anaerobic, but it has a generic chemistry meaning.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:11 PM   #56
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I don't. Autotrophs can use either form of respiration but respiration isn't the same thing as synthesis.
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Yeah, whatever. That's why I didn't use the word "respiration".
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:46 PM   #57
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Didn't say it was. If it doesn't use oxygen, it's anaerobic, whether or not any breathing is involved. You may be focused on a particular biology definition of anaerobic, but it has a generic chemistry meaning.
The OP seems to be talking about respiration. Isn't he?

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Yeah, whatever. That's why I didn't use the word "respiration".
You used "metabolism". Besides I was clearly talking about respiration, which is what the OP seems to talking about too.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:12 PM   #58
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The OP seems to be talking about respiration. Isn't he?
We're agreed that there's no good reason for the OPs original construction, but there's probably some method for an anaerobic non-autotroph organism to generate oxygen. There's just not an obvious reason for it to want to do so.
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:05 AM   #59
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I think Flyndaran may have meant that they were outperformed by organisms that both used photosynthesis and occasionally used oxygen.
My writing gets a little odd right before I take a nap. But that's what I meant.
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Old 06-08-2012, 02:00 AM   #60
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The OP seems to be talking about respiration. Isn't he?
I asked how y'all would model a specific example of respiration in game terms; my question has been answered to my satisfaction. I don't have much to add to the biochemistry portion of the conversation and so I'm sitting back and reading while taking some notes when stuff I'm not familiar with is mentioned and having the occasional chuckle.

Is there something in specific you'd like from me?
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