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Old 09-10-2020, 01:34 PM   #1
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Default Dungeon Fantasy Wildcard Skills for Non-Adventures Professions

Due to reasons(tm), I was trying to find the wildcard skills the various Summoner and Sage Dungeon Fantasy professions. I have failed to find them, and was wondering if anyone either knew where they were tucked away (maybe in a book or Pyramid article I don't own or whatever) or had suggestions for them.

... Actually, as long as I'm making the thread, gathering up as many of these non-basic Profession Wildcard skills as I can into a single place would probably be useful, so might as well start that off.

Edit: To clarify, I'm talking about adventuring professions not contained in the book, Dungeon Fantasy 1: Adventurers, such as Incanters from Dungeon Fantasy 19: Incantation Magic or Artificers from Dungeon Fantasy 4: Sages. I'm not talking about non-adventuring professions like being a barmaid or whatever.

Different Location:
Mystic Knight!: Pyramid 3-60: Dungeon Fantasy III, on page 39. Covers all the skills that a Mystic Knight would reasonably be expected to imbue + a bit of Mystic Knight-esque knowledge.

Same Article/Book:
Justicar!: Pyramid 3-10: Crime and Grime, on page 6. Covers various investigation and capturing skills.
Savage Warrior!: Dungeon Fantasy Denizens: Barbarians, page 11. Covers "barbaric" weapons, "rough" unarmed, and general wilderness skills.
Sea Raider!: Dungeon Fantasy Denizens: Barbarians, page 11. Covers ships you'd find in a sailor and tossing harpoons but no "viking" weapons.

Definitely Don't have Published Ones:
Demolisher
Dwarf (The profession)
Elf (The profession)
Musketeer
Monster Slaver

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Old 09-10-2020, 01:54 PM   #2
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In using Wildcard skills to simplify my Imitator character's multiple templates, I mostly ended up following the advice in GURPS Power-Ups 7: Wildcard Skills for template wildcards.

About twelve-ish main skills per wildcard, and it should include the template's listed Primary and Secondary skills (except weapon skills, unless the template's really about using a particular weapon). Then either trim it down, add conditional extra uses, or borrow appropriate stuff from background skills until you've got a list of twelve-ish skills.

The only one I actually ran into any trouble with using this method was Sorcerer. Turns out that template has a real shortage of primary and secondary skills.

For what it's worth, this was my attempt at "Demonologist!":
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Demonologist! (IQ) Replaces Hidden Lore (Demons), Occultism, Psychology (Demons), Thaumatology, Research, Speed‑Reading, Teaching, and Writing. Make a DX‑based roll for Innate Attack when spellcasting and a Will‑based roll for Exorcism (only vs. demons) and Meditation.

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Old 09-10-2020, 02:05 PM   #3
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Default Re: Dungeon Fantasy Wildcard Skills for Non-Adventures Professions

As a generic hint: Did you already get the new Dungeon Fantasy Career Guide 2020? Could help with your issue and it's awesome anyway! :)

(http://www.warehouse23.com/products/SJG37-0361)

I am not really sure about wild cards skill especially...
...but as an example I searched for the Mystic Knight and many page references are there, also regarding Pyramid 3-60, maybe what you need is listed under "special skills", too..?
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Old 09-10-2020, 02:41 PM   #4
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As a generic hint: Did you already get the new Dungeon Fantasy Career Guide 2020? Could help with your issue and it's awesome anyway! :)

(http://www.warehouse23.com/products/SJG37-0361)

I am not really sure about wild cards skill especially...
...but as an example I searched for the Mystic Knight and many page references are there, also regarding Pyramid 3-60, maybe what you need is listed under "special skills", too..?
I did look up the Mystic Knight in that book, but their reference is to page 27, which contains the article with all the Mystic Knight Power Ups (that page specifically being a couple of new Imbuement skills). A very important thing to reference, but unfortunately, not what I was looking for.
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Old 09-10-2020, 03:13 PM   #5
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Seeing as I already shared Demonologist, let's see what I can figure out for the others.

Artificer looks like it should be Alchemy, Armoury, Engineer (Gadgets), Fast-Draw (Gadget), Forced Entry, Lockpicking, Scrounging, and Traps, plus any other rolls to use gizmos and gadgeteered creations.

Scholar should have Cartography, Hidden Lore (all types), Research, Speed-Reading, Teaching, and Writing. They could probably have more, as that's quite a short list, but the problem with giving Scholars a really good wildcard skill is that it makes Wild Talent and Book-Learned Wisdom less interesting. Consider applying the wildcard bonus to Book-Learned Wisdom and/or letting them roll appropriate attribute-based Scholar! in place of unmodified attribute rolls for Wild Talent.

Elementalists should have Alchemy, Hazardous Materials (Magical), Hidden Lore (Elementals), Occultism, Prospecting, Psychology (Elementals), Research, Thaumatology, and probably the usual caster thing of letting them roll it for skill rolls (like Innate Attack) with their spells.

Necromancers would get Exorcism, Expert Skill (Thanatology), Fast-Talk, Hidden Lore (Undead), Occultism, Research, Search, Stealth, Thaumatology, and stuff like Brawling for hitting with melee spells etc.

Finally, Shamans look like they need Exorcism, First Aid, Hidden Lore (Spirits), Meditation, Naturalist, Pharmacy (Herbal), Stealth, Survival, and Weather Sense, and any non-spell skill rolls involved in using their spells and powers (though it doesn't look like they get anything that needs Innate Attack or similar, at a glance).

For Mystic Knights, honestly, I think they do fine with Knight! (or Swashbuckler! or Scout! for Mystic Swordsmen and Mystic Archers, respectively). They're very similar to their 'base class' outside of the imbuement stuff, which, like caster spells, probably shouldn't be in their template wildcard anyway.
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Old 09-10-2020, 04:03 PM   #6
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Seeing as I already shared Demonologist, let's see what I can figure out for the others.

Artificer looks like it should be Alchemy, Armoury, Engineer (Gadgets), Fast-Draw (Gadget), Forced Entry, Lockpicking, Scrounging, and Traps, plus any other rolls to use gizmos and gadgeteered creations.

Scholar should have Cartography, Hidden Lore (all types), Research, Speed-Reading, Teaching, and Writing. They could probably have more, as that's quite a short list, but the problem with giving Scholars a really good wildcard skill is that it makes Wild Talent and Book-Learned Wisdom less interesting. Consider applying the wildcard bonus to Book-Learned Wisdom and/or letting them roll appropriate attribute-based Scholar! in place of unmodified attribute rolls for Wild Talent.

Elementalists should have Alchemy, Hazardous Materials (Magical), Hidden Lore (Elementals), Occultism, Prospecting, Psychology (Elementals), Research, Thaumatology, and probably the usual caster thing of letting them roll it for skill rolls (like Innate Attack) with their spells.

Necromancers would get Exorcism, Expert Skill (Thanatology), Fast-Talk, Hidden Lore (Undead), Occultism, Research, Search, Stealth, Thaumatology, and stuff like Brawling for hitting with melee spells etc.

Finally, Shamans look like they need Exorcism, First Aid, Hidden Lore (Spirits), Meditation, Naturalist, Pharmacy (Herbal), Stealth, Survival, and Weather Sense, and any non-spell skill rolls involved in using their spells and powers (though it doesn't look like they get anything that needs Innate Attack or similar, at a glance).

For Mystic Knights, honestly, I think they do fine with Knight! (or Swashbuckler! or Scout! for Mystic Swordsmen and Mystic Archers, respectively). They're very similar to their 'base class' outside of the imbuement stuff, which, like caster spells, probably shouldn't be in their template wildcard anyway.
A list of what is in GURPS Power-Ups 7: Wildcard Skills is on the GURPSwiki. Relevant "off-the shelf" Non-Adventure Profession wildcards:

--Ultimate templates--
Contact!
Flunky!
Guard!
Mugger!
Orc!
Sage!
Samaritan!
Thug!

Less broad wildcards:
*Businessman! (for merchants)
*Cleric!: Any Philosophy, Religious Ritual, or Theology skill for the priest’s faith, plus Diagnosis, First Aid, Hidden Lore (Demons, Spirits, Undead, etc.), Occultism, Public Speaking, Surgery, and Teaching. In some settings is also includes Detect Lies, Diplomacy, Leadership, Politics, Propaganda, Savoir Faire, and Teaching
*Lore!
*Scholar!: Anthropology, Archaeology, Cartography, Economics, Geography, Heraldry, History, Literature, Occultism, Philosophy, Public Speaking, Sociology, Teaching, and Theology.
*Scout!
*Security!
*Servant!
*Wizard! - all the non-spell skills for spell casters such as Alchemy, Hazardous Materials (Magical), Hidden Lore (any magical specialty), Occultism, Research, Speed-Reading, Teaching, Thaumatology, and Writing.

I should mention that Power-ups 7 also cites where these came from. Cleric! for example comes from Dungeon Fantasy 1: Adventurers and
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:44 PM   #7
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Non-Adventure Profession wildcards:
... I uh. Think I should clarify what I meant by the title of this thread - I'm looking for the Wildcard Skills of the Dungeon Fantasy Professions that are not in the book, Dungeon Fantasy 1 - Adventurers. That is, the professions like Sage, Artificer, Ninja, Incanter, etc, as opposed to Cleric, Wizard, Thief (whose Wildcard skills are explained on page 18 of Dungeon Fantasy 1 - Adventurers).
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In using Wildcard skills to simplify my Imitator character's multiple templates, I mostly ended up following the advice in GURPS Power-Ups 7: Wildcard Skills for template wildcards.

About twelve-ish main skills per wildcard, and it should include the template's listed Primary and Secondary skills (except weapon skills, unless the template's really about using a particular weapon). Then either trim it down, add conditional extra uses, or borrow appropriate stuff from background skills until you've got a list of twelve-ish skills.

The only one I actually ran into any trouble with using this method was Sorcerer. Turns out that template has a real shortage of primary and secondary skills.

For what it's worth, this was my attempt at "Demonologist!":
I would allow it to substitute for Will in rolls to control demons. It's a central part of being a Demonologist.
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Old 09-11-2020, 01:03 AM   #9
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... I uh. Think I should clarify what I meant by the title of this thread - I'm looking for the Wildcard Skills of the Dungeon Fantasy Professions that are not in the book, Dungeon Fantasy 1 - Adventurers. That is, the professions like Sage, Artificer, Ninja, Incanter, etc, as opposed to Cleric, Wizard, Thief (whose Wildcard skills are explained on page 18 of Dungeon Fantasy 1 - Adventurers).
Oh. The only one Power-Ups 7 lists outside Dungeon Fantasy 1 but still in the Dungeon Fantasy series is Map! from Dungeon Fantasy 5.

I'm going through the list at GURPSwiki and adding in the sources for the world card (if they are provided).
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Old 09-11-2020, 09:54 AM   #10
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Added a couple more to the original post, and also split up the list into 3 categories:

Professions that have the Wildcard skill tucked away somewhere else.

Professions that have the Wildcard skill in the same article.

Professions that I'm positive do not have the wildcard skill at all, so don't bother looking. I'm mostly going to stick to things like the Elf Profession for this list, where I'm reasonably sure that the only place it ever came up, ever, is in the article it was designed, and it didn't have the Wildcard skill in that article. On the other hand, I haven't found any published Wildcard skills for the Assassin, but it's gotten a bit of love even outside of where it was published, so I'm much less confident in the nonexistence of its Wildcard skill.
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