Binding with Based On Attribute

[kirbwarrior]

Normally you escape a Binding with a contest of Binding ST vs ST or Escape. Is this a place we can use Based on (Different Attribute) to change what they roll against to escape? For Instance, using Based On IQ to make them use IQ or IQ-Based Escape to get out of the Binding.

Bonus question, are there any other similar situations where it seems like you plausibly could use Based On but it's not actually allowed in the rules?

Thank you ahead of time.

[johndallman]

Plausibly. For example, you could use Binding with Based on IQ for mental befuddlement that had no physical manifestation, but made the subject unable to move.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

Normally you escape a Binding with a contest of Binding ST vs ST or Escape. Is this a place we can use Based on (Different Attribute) to change what they roll against to escape? For Instance, using Based On IQ to make them use IQ or IQ-Based Escape to get out of the Binding.

Bonus question, are there any other similar situations where it seems like you plausibly could use Based On but it's not actually allowed in the rules?

Thank you ahead of time.

You could. In fact, I was building a power recently and was like, "I'mma make this a Malediction" when I realized Binding doesn't seem to take DR into account... So I used Based on Will, Own Roll and Based on Will for Binding along with Engulfing to create a ability you see in fiction where a telekinetic/monster/mage pins someone completely until they can wrest control with their strength of mind.

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by johndallman

Plausibly. For example, you could use Binding with Based on IQ for mental befuddlement that had no physical manifestation, but made the subject unable to move.

That kind of how I imagined it. Another angle I was thinking was it being a mild and specific form of Mind Control (which would likely have a feature that others can move them). Or there being a "mental maze" they have to work out to break out (which makes IQ-Based Escape really make sense). I was mostly just concerned about the fact that ST doesn't usually have the same ceiling that other attributes tend to have. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Christopher R. Rice

You could. In fact, I was building a power recently and was like, "I'mma make this a Malediction" when I realized Binding doesn't seem to take DR into account... So I used Based on Will, Own Roll and Based on Will for Binding along with Engulfing to create a ability you see in fiction where a telekinetic/monster/mage pins someone completely until they can wrest control with their strength of mind.

I definitely like this build a lot. Will being "strength of mind" conceptually really helps there. Although, would the Based on Will apply to both their resistance and to the ST contest, or would those need to be taken separately?

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

I definitely like this build a lot. Will being "strength of mind" conceptually really helps there. Although, would the Based on Will apply to both their resistance and to the ST contest, or would those need to be taken separately?

Correct. They use their Will to avoid it and then they use Will instead of ST to get out of it. When you add Based on Attribute it changes every normal successful roll to that attribute. ST can be really tricky though - I created an ability where damage was fixed value + basic damage and basic damage was based on Will, not ST. If the GM is picky they could apply the same logic here and if that's the case it would cost a further +10%.

[Prince Charon]

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

Normally you escape a Binding with a contest of Binding ST vs ST or Escape. Is this a place we can use Based on (Different Attribute) to change what they roll against to escape? For Instance, using Based On IQ to make them use IQ or IQ-Based Escape to get out of the Binding.

I think one of my character ideas involves a Binding power that uses telepathy, and thus the resistance roll is Will. 'Based on IQ' is also a plausible resistance roll for a telepathic power.

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by Christopher R. Rice

Correct. They use their Will to avoid it and then they use Will instead of ST to get out of it. When you add Based on Attribute it changes every normal successful roll to that attribute. ST can be really tricky though - I created an ability where damage was fixed value + basic damage and basic damage was based on Will, not ST. If the GM is picky they could apply the same logic here and if that's the case it would cost a further +10%.

Oh, thank you, I somehow never noticed that.

Originally Posted by Prince Charon

I think one of my character ideas involves a Binding power that uses telepathy, and thus the resistance roll is Will. 'Based on IQ' is also a plausible resistance roll for a telepathic power.

Fun similar thought is Based On replacing ST with Will and Escape being IQ-based.