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Old 01-27-2022, 01:07 AM   #1
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Default ACTION 1 HEROES template errata?

Hi All,
Can someone double check the Wire Rat template for ACTION 1 HEROES? A friend of mine was gifted a gift certificate for SJGames, and he purchased ACTION 1 HEROES with the idea of playing a Wire Rat for an upcoming game. So, using the template, he built himself a wire rat and GURPS CHARACTER ASSISTANT shows that the choices he made, totaled 245 points. I thought those templates were supposed to be such that the Lens was worth 20 points and the actual templates themselves were to total 230 points?

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Old 01-27-2022, 04:29 AM   #2
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It would probably be helpful if you posted the character sheet you refer to.
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Old 01-27-2022, 05:08 AM   #3
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Default Re: ACTION 1 HEROES template errata?

I quickly count:
  • 160 points in attributes,
  • 95 points in advantages
  • -50 points in disadvantages
  • 25 points in skills
  • 20 points in the lens
That's 250.

if you check which of those categories is off, it will tell you where the mistake was made.


as bill said, if you post the sheet we'll do that checking for you.
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Old 01-27-2022, 07:01 AM   #4
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Hi All,
Rather than show the character sheet in and of itself, I'm going step by step. For example, the first part is the attribute block before you even start to anything to it. After that, the next set of instructions tell you to select Advantages. I've taken the liberty of splitting things into Phases (if multiple instructions within a given paragraph).

This is what I get:

Attributes for Wire Rat: 155
Advantages phase 1: 65 pts
Advantages phase 2: 30 pts

Disadvantages phase 1: -20
Disadvantages phase 2: -10
Disadvantages phase 3: -20

Primary Skills:
Phase 1: 7 pts (ie 7 skills)
Phase 2: 4 pts (ie 4 additional skills or upgrade original 7 skills)

Secondary Skills:

Phase 1: 6 pts (2 pts each in two weaponless combat skills out of 5 possible weaponless skills. Then two more skills outright at 1 point per)

Phase 2: 7 pts (pick 7 skills out of 13 listed with 1 per skill)

Background Skills: 20 point lens
Driving: 1 pt

By my count, that is a total of 245 points (155 + 65 + 30 -20 - 10 -20 + 7 + 4 + 6 + 7 + 20 + 1)

Having looked at EricTheRed's tally, I went back to see what 5 point upgrade to attributes that I missed, and discovered that the speed had been upgraded to a 6 based on a HT 11, DX 12 attribute spread.

Because the player chose to upgrade his HT to a 12, his basic speed was 6, which matched the template's speed 6.

THAT is why I didn't find the missing 5 points. **hoo boy**

See, I started out by taking the character sheet that was emailed to me, then tallying things up and making sure the attributes matched what was in the template. :)

Now I feel better.

Thanks Guys.
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Old 01-27-2022, 09:34 AM   #5
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Having looked at EricTheRed's tally, I went back to see what 5 point upgrade to attributes that I missed, and discovered that the speed had been upgraded to a 6 based on a HT 11, DX 12 attribute spread.

Because the player chose to upgrade his HT to a 12, his basic speed was 6, which matched the template's speed 6.

THAT is why I didn't find the missing 5 points. **hoo boy**

See, I started out by taking the character sheet that was emailed to me, then tallying things up and making sure the attributes matched what was in the template. :)

Now I feel better.
Believe me, I understand! I'm currently checking character designs for my new campaign, Fronteira, and a streak of OCD helps a lot in finding exactly where the player's reckoning and mine fail to match . . .
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Old 01-27-2022, 12:24 PM   #6
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I was going to suggest checking the Quirks, which no DF or Action template accounts for in its math, but sounds like you found the culprit.
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