11-08-2022, 06:48 AM | #1 |
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Spells that ought to cost every minute
Mage Sight was a good choice to renew by the minute, here's some other spells that ought to cost once per minute so they get some good RPing.
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11-08-2022, 11:57 AM | #2 |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
It is interesting how some spells, like Mage Sight, got a considerable boost in LE's ITL, while others were left behind.
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11-08-2022, 12:13 PM | #3 |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
Flight costing every minute would be a huge upgrade. A bit much, I think.
If Flight, why not Invisibility? |
11-08-2022, 01:16 PM | #4 | |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
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Perhaps a non-combat flight with limited maneuverability?
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11-08-2022, 04:17 PM | #5 |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
I would be for reducing the cost of information gathering spells, like Mage Sight, or other spells that get little use. Although, any spell that is not info gathering and useful in combat should remain at a cost per turn.
These I like to be a cost per minute: Silent Movement Flight (not really a combat spell. replaces ladders/ropes) Reveal Magic Detect Enemies Detect Life (if you are changing DE, then DL should also. Both DE & DL will have limited need for continuation, so I am not sure how much this gets you, but like I said I am for making info gathering spells more useful.) These I think should remain at a cost per turn: Eyes-Behind Fireproofing |
11-08-2022, 04:18 PM | #6 |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
Eyes-Behind with a sweeping weapon can be fun.
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11-08-2022, 09:17 PM | #8 | |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
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I think that giving most spells long run times in the first place will increase playability. But increasing renew time is the next best thing.
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11-09-2022, 01:19 AM | #9 |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
Great list Henry -- and a nice sequel to the Silent Movement discussion we started in the main forum.
With more latitude to talk about it here in House Rules, let me point out there is tremendous flexibility here for the GM to utilize. Because when extending the duration of a spell, one might also choose to raise the ST cost to temper the enhanced impact the longer version might have. For example, you could say Silent Movement lasts 5 minutes, but make the cost 3 ST to cast instead of 1. Or for a spell that may have much more affect on combat situations, don't increase the duration as much while increasing the cost a little bit more. For example let the Flight spell last 1 minute, but costs 5 ST to cast. Much cheaper than 3+1 ST per Turn (14 ST for that minute), but still not so cheap that a PC would use it frivolously. The wizard should always be worried a bit about unexpected encounters, and going into battle down that many fatigue points. Another plus of longer duration spells is a lot less bookkeeping, but the main advantage is the creation of more role-playing opportunities. The last thing to decide is whether you prefer to allow those spells to continue for another interval by simply paying the ST cost again, or do you want to require a roll to re-cast them when the time is up? Do whichever you like, but probably stay consistent.
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11-09-2022, 07:12 AM | #10 |
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Re: Spells that ought to cost every minute
I like the list too.
This discussion highlights the difference between arena combat and longer dungeon adventures when it comes to spell cost for Wizards. Some spells have a high ST cost to balance them in the arena, but are too expensive to use on an adventure. Could we add lower cost/longer duration versions for these spells so they'd be useful on longer adventures, but not overpowered for combat. For example, keep Flight the way it is, but add "Levitate" for 1ST/minute and MA 4, -2DX to attack and +2DX to attackers since you're floating around slowly and can't plant your feet for combat maneuvers. Should they be separate spells, or should they be included with the existing version, and the caster specifies beforehand which he's using? |
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