Occupation and Status/Social regard

[Agemegos]

Originally Posted by Maz

In general I am a little unsure when Social regard is fitting and when Status is.

The huge difference is that Social Regard doesn't raise cost of living.

[Phil Masters]

Originally Posted by johndallman

Indeed, it varies a lot. I don't think British lawyers have Status, although they often have Wealth. I'm fairly sure our judges do have Status.

I'd say that barristers tend to be Status 1 or 2, from Wealth if nothing else. Solicitors not so automatic, but a lot of them will be Status 1, from money, presenting themselves well, knowing many of the right other people locally, and do on.

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by Phil Masters

I'd say that barristers tend to be Status 1 or 2, from Wealth if nothing else. Solicitors not so automatic, but a lot of them will be Status 1, from money, presenting themselves well, knowing many of the right other people locally, and do on.

In the commonwealth, Barristers have automatic Status 1, though of course they might have more.

[ericthered]

I'm thinking of social distinctions that are used in modern society where one is considered "above" another without question...

I think our society has gone about intentionally tearing them down. I'm having a very difficult time with situations that are not either respect based, but only work for certain people (clergy and what not) or wealth based.

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by ericthered

I'm thinking of social distinctions that are used in modern society where one is considered "above" another without question...

I think our society has gone about intentionally tearing them down. I'm having a very difficult time with situations that are not either respect based, but only work for certain people (clergy and what not) or wealth based.

I would say that high levle politicains and A list celeberties merit status, inclduing sepcial regard and options others do not have.

[Maz]

Just to return to the Social regard-example for occupations. And this is completely coloured by TV and media as I do not live in the United States.
But it's my clear impression that if someone is a doctor, they will automatically be listened more to than others. Even if they do not wear expensive clothing or a doctors outfit (but yes of course they would still have to identify themselves as doctors before people would know that they are.

Lets say your plane crashes in the mountains and you need to decide if you want to stay and wait for help or try to find a way to safety. Would someone, known to the others as a doctor, be listened more to, than say someone known to be a flight attendant?
I realise that in such situations the doctor will often get a reaction bonus for actually doing doctor-stuff and helping mend wounded, but lets assume this hasn't been the case here.

...is it possible that this is merely a case of people with high-status jobs more often have more confidence and therefore more often be of the "take charge" personality. But how do you model this in GURPS?
In GURPS people with high-status jobs also often have higher IQ, giving them better influence skills and as such they are more likely to be able to "say the right thing". This might also be the case.


...ok, sorry for the long self-rant but I think I am back to agreeing that doctors might have status 1, not Social regard 1.

[Þorkell]

Originally Posted by Maz

Social regard (respected) 1: Soldiers,

Varies hugely. Go back about 150 years and earlier in Britain and the common soldier was rather looked down on. In fact there are quotes to the effect that mothers would rather see their sons dead than in that red coat.

Go back to the Vietnam War era in America, I don't think they respected soldiers back then...

[rust]

Originally Posted by Maz

Social regard (respected) 2: Doctor
Status 1: Lawyer, Professor.
Social regard (respected) 1: Soldiers, firemen, policemen.
Nothing: Nurse, school teacher. (yeah, that's very unfair but I think very true)
Status -1: any sort of servant like-job; waiter, maid, pool cleaner, trash collector.

In my experience Social Regard (respected) 1 would perhaps be Firemen,
Policemen, Nurses, Paramedics, Priests and Teachers - but not Soldiers.
Status -1 would perhaps be beggars, homeless people and people who
have to live in some kind of institution, but not people with average ser-
vice jobs.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by rust

but not people with average service jobs.

Service jobs are not Servant-like jobs in general. Service jobs fall more into Sales. you provide a service, in a Provider-Client related relationships not a Boss-Employee relationship even if the service is inpart what is tradationally provided from a servant

[Agemegos]

Originally Posted by Þorkell

Varies hugely. Go back about 150 years and earlier in Britain and the common soldier was rather looked down on. In fact there are quotes to the effect that mothers would rather see their sons dead than in that red coat.

120 years ago soldiers were not admitted to many theatres and public-houses.

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

…

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

Rudyard Kipling, Tommy