05-12-2021, 09:47 PM | #41 | |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
I think the only way to determine whether a fictional character should have a particular disadvantage is if it is a part of their character description. Then you can talk about how often they manage or fail to resist this particular trait.
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Megumin (from Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku o!) has a -10 point Obsession with mastering Explosion magic (it's not clear whether it's one spell with many variants or college of closely related spells), to the point of refusing to learn any other type of magic, however useful, and optimizing for a single, FP-exhausting cast once per day. "Nice bakuretsu!" |
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05-13-2021, 07:11 AM | #42 |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
The Noble Dead Saga has quite a few. Leesil suffers from Alcoholism (which isn't quite an SC Disadvantage, given it's actually resisted by Will), but buys it off partway through Thief of Lives - his most notable lapse is when he drinks with some sailors during a card game, and ends up too drunk to effectively help Magiere fend off an assassination attempt. Magiere suffers from Bad Temper (and Stubbornness, but that's not an SC Disadvantage) for most of the series, although she eventually buys that down to Quirk level (or it may have been there from the start; I don't recall her actually being seriously inconvenienced by it). The whole reason the town they move to in Dhampir (which kicks off the whole plot) even suspected they had a vampire infestation was because Ratboy failed his SC roll against Unnatural Appetite, so that he didn't stop feeding until his victim was dead (IIRC, he had done this a few times). Oddly, Chane - despite often functioning as a creature of instinct - doesn't appear to have any SC Disadvantages above Quirk level. Early on, he indulged his Unnatural Appetite, but once he found out how new vampires are actually made, he refused to indulge it (and never fell off the bandwagon in this regard, implying no SC roll) - initially he'd let his victims bleed out rather than continue to feed (he still killed, as Toret never taught him the more subtle feeding methods available), and later he used magic to enhance how much sustenance he got from his victims (without directly feeding), to the extent he could easily subsist on animals (and in the end, he no longer needed to feed at all, playing guardian to an orb that sustained him). His obsession with Wynn seemed more like a Sense of Duty than GURPS Obsession.
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05-13-2021, 10:22 AM | #43 |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
Peter Quill going completely non-linear when he finds out how Thanos got the Soul Stone.
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05-13-2021, 10:18 PM | #44 | |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66cQoJ7gjaM sneaking into the lair of witch with dangerous demons who could 1-hit kill you? keep a secure 2-handed grip on your rifle and eyes peeled for intruders? or... take hand off rifle to adjust jar-you-know-nothing-about-which-might-be-hexed to make sure it's equidistant from others on shelf? even when she stops herself she has to glance back and examine their alignment... that's got to be a penalty on a vision check as your gaze averts from where it ought to be |
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05-13-2021, 10:40 PM | #45 |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
Madmartigan fails a self-control roll to resist Obsession, which he temporarily suffered due to a minor magic dust accident.
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05-14-2021, 12:41 AM | #46 | |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
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Or just Luke going for Committed Attacks after appropriate dramatic dialogue. While he certainly has Sense of Duty and at least Quirk level Impulsiveness, he otherwise isn't written as Berserk or Bad Tempered. |
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05-14-2021, 01:02 AM | #47 |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
Perhaps he might've been Afflicted with one of those temporary as some kind of Darkside force-emo-manipulation by Sidious?
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05-14-2021, 01:05 AM | #48 | |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
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Since the entire race is written as being emotionally repressed, with tendencies towards Bad Temper, Berserk, Bloodlust, Intolerance (Non-Vulcans), and Paranoia (Mitigator: Meditation), and since Vulcans are smarter and stronger than humans, you really don't want to taunt Happy Mr. Vulcan. In ST:Voyager, Tuvok nearly takes Neelix's head off a couple of times but refrains from doing so due to successful self-control rolls. At one point, IIRC, he fails a self-control roll and attacks Tom Paris. Vulcan social etiquette also demands complete stoicism, so even having a lower self-control roll than the expected norm has social implications. In ST: Enterprise, I'm convinced that T'Pol was seconded to the smelly, emotionally-immature humans as punishment duty because she didn't have a sufficiently good self-control roll to resist Bad Temper and Compulsive Behavior (Exploring). |
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05-14-2021, 01:19 AM | #49 |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
Another classic LOTR failed self-control roll is Boromir, whose Sense of Duty (Gondor) and a failed Overconfidence roll made him attempt to seize the One Ring from Frodo. In the aftermath, his Code of Honor, Sense of Duty, Proud quirk, and a second failed Overconfidence roll made him quit the Fellowship, resulting in his death, the capture of Pippin and Merry, and the Fellowship breaking up soon thereafter.
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05-14-2021, 07:33 AM | #50 | |
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Re: Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction
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Boromir tries to take the Ring from Frodo because the Ring causes people to believe that they can get everything they want or need by using it. With the Ring I can command armies to victory. With the Ring I can create the greatest garden in Middle-earth. With the Ring people will serve me fresh fish from the sea every day. If you had to pick a disadvantage that the Ring induces in people, it's probably Megalomania (and it would probably be a straight Will roll to avoid acquiring it). It may or may not be accompanied by a Delusion. (With the Ring, Boromir actually COULD defeat Sauron, but Gollum would never get servants bringing him fresh fish daily. We already know what Gollum will do with the Ring because he already did it.) Boromir never quit the Fellowship. He was responsible for the capture of Merry and Pippin only in that Frodo ran away from him, which meant he didn't return to the camp, and so everyone panicked and ran around looking for him, and Merry and Pippin ran into a bunch of orcs. Boromir definitely has a Sense of Duty to Gondor as well as a Duty to Gondor. I don't think he has the Proud quirk: he is certainly proud, but the actual quirk is defined as being concerned with your personal success, wealth, or social standing, and Boromir is perfectly willing to subordinate all of that to serve Gondor. I might give him a quirk of "Defends the honor of Gondor; reacts at -1 to anyone who seems to slight it." I might also give him a quirk of "Provincial": he has trouble recognizing that Gondor isn't the only place in Middle-earth worth talking about. If he has a Code of Honor, I'm not sure how I would define it. |
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