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Old 04-14-2020, 03:34 PM   #11
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The analogy with Innate Attack isn't terrible. But I'd still consider WM to be an Advantage without an activation roll.
I think this is important. IA has you roll against a skill to use it and No Roll Required can get rid of that. Does NRR do anything on WM?
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Old 04-14-2020, 08:02 PM   #12
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I tend towards for raw power when I use Weapon Master. A character with ST 20, DX 12, IQ 10, HT 12, Combat Reflexes, Weapon Master (Staff), and Staff-22 runs at around 220 CP and is capable of performing three 3d+10 crushing strikes per turn at skill 16 (a cheaper version with ST 14, reducing tge cost to 160 CP, deals 'only' 2d+6 damage with each of their strikes per turn). Everything else is just gravy at that point.
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Old 04-14-2020, 09:02 PM   #13
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I tend towards for raw power when I use Weapon Master.
I keep forgetting how much power you get from WM. I love the combo with fencing weapons to have continually high parries, but yeah the damage is a huge part of WM.
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Old 04-14-2020, 10:39 PM   #14
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Staffs also benefit from the same rules (Martial Arts, p. 123). If you really want to be a defense bunny, give the previous build OHT (Staff) and two staffs (it is strong enough to use staffs one-handed without any penalty). With the +2 to parry and the -1 per additional parry after the first one per weapon, things get really interesting very quickly. Using their default DWA (Staff), the individual could engage six people at a time and disable two per turn.
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Old 04-15-2020, 08:17 AM   #15
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Staffs also benefit from the same rules (Martial Arts, p. 123). If you really want to be a defense bunny, give the previous build OHT (Staff) and two staffs (it is strong enough to use staffs one-handed without any penalty). With the +2 to parry and the -1 per additional parry after the first one per weapon, things get really interesting very quickly. Using their default DWA (Staff), the individual could engage six people at a time and disable two per turn.
Staff is exclusively a two-handed skill. Note the jo, which is readily usable in one hand, uses Broadsword for that. And if you aren't using Staff, you don't get the +2 to Parry from it. You could probably justify using Spear with a quarterstaff one-handed (it's pretty much a spear without a head anyway), but you'd be restricted to thrusts and still wouldn't get the +2 to Parry, because you're using Spear, not Staff.
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Old 04-15-2020, 09:43 AM   #16
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You can use staffs one-handed without penalty if you have ST 14+.
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Old 04-15-2020, 08:33 PM   #17
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You can use staffs one-handed without penalty if you have ST 14+.
Please see MA220. A Staff weapon wielded in one hand uses Broadsword skill. You might be able to try to claim you'd still use the +2 Parry, but that makes absolutely no sense, particularly with the jo (which is already usable with Broadsword, but doesn't get the bonus there; there's no realistic reason why the jo would get a +2 to Parry when wielded one-handed by characters with ST 12+). Again, the +2 to Parry is a function of the Staff skill (in conjunction with a compatible weapon, note dueling polearms don't get it), not a property of the weapon itself.
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Old 04-15-2020, 09:32 PM   #18
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It is the large blocking surface that gives the +2 to skill. The problem with using staff with Broadsword is that it assumes that you are wielding it like a sword, holding it at one end, when you could instead be holding it in the middle, which would require Staff. Even the -1 damage does not really make sense though, as a staff is heavier than a bokken (which is also used with Broadsword), so it should deal more damage.

Either way though, using staff with two hands is more effective for offense, so I tend to go with that option. Hitting three people per turn with an average of 20 crushing damage is rather awesome. It also means that you are fully exploiting WM.

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Old 04-15-2020, 09:46 PM   #19
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What's the power? Normally I wouldn't use Weapon Master in a power..
Taskmaster's power would have Weapon Master in it.
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