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Old 08-24-2009, 03:11 AM   #31
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Source please?
That's how I read Reduced Range. That is my source. What is yours?
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Old 08-24-2009, 03:17 AM   #32
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That's how I read Reduced Range. That is my source.
That's not a source, a source would be a place where it says something like "must have a maximum range to qualify for Reduced Range".
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What is yours?
The Fact that the description doesn't say anything about being limited in such a way:

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Reduced Range
-10%/level
You may add this limitation to any advantage that has a range; e.g., Innate Attack or Scanning Sense. It comes in three levels, depending on the range divisor.

Range Divisor Modifier
2 -10%
5 -20%
10 -30%

If applied to a ranged attack that has a 1/2D range, each level reduces both 1/2D and Max. You may reduce 1/2D only at half value (that is, “Reduced 1/2D” is -5%/level). You may not reduce Max independently.
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Old 08-24-2009, 03:19 AM   #33
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1. 100+140+40-10-60-10=200
With a base cost of 25 points, that means your precognition should cost 75 points, not 18 points.

2. So it costs 4 FP total?

3. With this, your penalties for seeing into the future are:
-0 19.2 hours
-1 3.5 days
-2 1 Week
-3 3 Weeks
-4 10 Weeks
-5 30 Weeks
-6 100 Weeks


With:
Precognition (Active Only -60%; Costs 2 FP -10%; Directed +100%; Force -10%; Reduced Time 7 +140%; Reliable +8 40%; Short Range -10%) [73]
Your penalties for seeing into the future are:
-0 11 minutes 31.2 seconds
-1 17 minutes 16.8 seconds
-2 28 minutes 48 seconds
-3 40 minutes 19.2 seconds


Build as:
Telekinesis (Force -10%; Costs 2 FP -10%; and Move Only -40% on the last 2 levels) 5 [24]

4. What is this made of?
1. I use multiplicative modifiers.
2 and 3. I've already edited my previous post to use Short-Range instead of 2 FP for the same cost.
4. I've always seen others use Force at -10%, I haven't really questioned what it is.
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Old 08-24-2009, 03:24 AM   #34
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That's not a source, a source would be a place where it says something like "must have a maximum range to qualify for Reduced Range".

The Fact that the description doesn't say anything about being limited in such a way:
Actually it is a source. As I read it, for an advantage to have a range, it must stop working beyond that range.

Not that it matters, as Short-Range does everything I need in this case.

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Old 08-24-2009, 03:29 AM   #35
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Actually it is a source.
Really? Which bit of the text says that? Quote it.

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As I read it, for an advantage to have a range, it must stop working beyond that range.
Again, quote the section that says this.

Maladiction has range, yet it doesn't have a "Max Range".

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Old 08-24-2009, 03:32 AM   #36
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1. I use multiplicative modifiers.
2 and 3. I've already edited my previous post to use Short-Range instead of 2 FP for the same cost.
Then the cost is still wrong, 100+140+40 = 240%, apply it gives 380% in this case 95, 10+60+10 = -80%, 20% of 95 = 19, not 18

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4. I've always seen others use Force at -10%, I haven't really questioned what it is.
How does it limit a Jedi?
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Old 08-24-2009, 03:33 AM   #37
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You may add this limitation to any advantage that has a range
There it is. Obviously you don't read it the way I do and I'm fine with that.
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Old 08-24-2009, 03:35 AM   #38
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There it is. Obviously you don't read it the way I do and I'm fine with that.
Maladiction has range, yet it doesn't have a "Max Range", there's nothing supporting your idea that "range" requires "Max Range".

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You may add this limitation to any advantage that has a range
Doesn't say that "range" requires "Max Range". You don't have a source for that do you?

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Old 08-24-2009, 03:45 AM   #39
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Then the cost is still wrong, 100+140+40 = 240%, apply it gives 380% in this case 95, 10+60+10 = -80%, 20% of 95 = 19, not 18

How does it limit a Jedi?
You're right. I made an error in calculation.

There are both natural and technological anti-powers.
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Old 08-24-2009, 03:56 AM   #40
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Maladiction has range, yet it doesn't have a "Max Range", there's nothing supporting your idea that "range" requires "Max Range".

Doesn't say that "range" requires "Max Range". You don't have a source for that do you?
Malediction doesn't have range, it has range penalties.

I have already explained what having range means. As I read Reduced Range, you're the one that has to prove that your view is correct. You're the one that doesn't have a source. Reduced Range already states that my view is correct.

But you don't read it as I do and I'm fine with that.
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