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Old 04-05-2018, 01:07 PM   #1
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Default Toxifier: What counts as an "enchanted weapon"?

Toxifier have the Unkillable advantage, and the Achilles Heel of "Enchanted weapons", meaning that enchanted weapons are the only things that can force death checks.

What counts as an enchanted weapon?
Is it only a purpose-built weapon with one of the enchantments listing a "weapon" or "projectile" as the base armor on p 118 (and similar enchantments from other sources)?
* If so, does the Continual Light enchantment on a weapon still count?

Is it only unambiguous stabby-deathy-kill enchantments? A sword that casts Death Touch on whoever you hit is a weapon and is magical and is definitely combat oriented, but you could have a Death Touch glove, wand, or bean bag.
* This would exclude Swords of Light unless they can do something else.
* Does a sword that shoots Fireballs a la videogames count? Probably if this is true. But: does a wand that shoots Fireballs count? A glove that conjures Fireballs?

What about other enchantments - a Sword of Flying that flies you along through the air like Thors hammer from the comics/movies. Or the notorious Sword of Healing, which is not just orthogonal to stabby-deathy-kill, but actively anti-stabby-deathy-kill.

And probably the super-duper-ambiguous one, a wizard's staff or wand - it's definitely a weapon (only a quarterstaff or a baton), but it's not listed in the magic weapons area, and doesn't do anything particularly combat related - or not combat related; it's very generic.
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Old 04-05-2018, 01:54 PM   #2
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Default Re: Toxifier: What counts as an "enchanted weapon"?

For my money, it's Enchantments that improve damage or accuracy (IE everything on the Enchantment list but Light, Defending Weapon, and Shatterproof and that's for Weapons or Projectiles).


And yeah, I'd even let temporary magical effects like the Wizard or Cleric casting Flaming Weapon or Affect Spirits to apply.
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:02 PM   #3
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Default Re: Toxifier: What counts as an "enchanted weapon"?

Incidentally, it's not clear how diffuse interacts with followup (this matters for flaming weapon/etc). Is the damage capped at 2 for the entire blow, or can it do 2 damage for the weapon and 2 damage for the followup.
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:22 PM   #4
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Default Re: Toxifier: What counts as an "enchanted weapon"?

On the contrary, it is quite clear, despite not necessarily making sense: the cap is per attack. So no.

House rule it if you want something better.
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:24 PM   #5
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On the contrary, it is quite clear, despite not necessarily making sense: the cap is per attack. So no.

House rule it if you want something better.
A Follow-up is a separate attack though.
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That’s GURPS. DFRPG defines follow-up as a secondary effect, it’s not called another attack (although there is mention of the “primary attack” in the case of Contact Agent).
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That’s GURPS. DFRPG defines follow-up as a secondary effect, it’s not called another attack (although there is mention of the “primary attack” in the case of Contact Agent).
'Primary' is right there under Follow-Up: "The primary effect is always damage of some kind..."


My ruling? It's a second effect, so it's separate.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:53 PM   #8
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I’m not arguing that it doesn’t distinguish primary and secondary effects, I’m arguing that it never describes the secondary effect as a separate attacks, which is the word that diffuses caps injury on.

Yes, I absolutely house rule them as separate in my campaign. No, RAW is not ambiguous on this point.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:13 PM   #9
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For my money, it's Enchantments that improve damage or accuracy (IE everything on the Enchantment list but Light, Defending Weapon, and Shatterproof and that's for Weapons or Projectiles).
This fits the standard genre assumptions pretty well.

Incidentally, I've been rereading The Lord of the Rings aloud with my children and we came across a description that seems like it must be one of the literary roots of the "only magic weapons" trope. When the Fellowship is in Moria, they encounter what Gandalf describes as a "great cave-troll." When it tries to push through the door into the Chamber of Mazarbul, Boromir strikes its unarmored hide "with all his might; but his sword rang, glanced aside, and fell from his shaken hand. The blade was notched." A moment later, Frodo uses Sting, an enchanted blade, to strike the creature. He is successful, despite his lesser strength, drawing blood and driving the troll back. Aragorn then cries, "You have a good blade, Frodo son of Drogo!"

This reminds me that despite DF's penchant for generic magic items, I prefer to attach a bit of history and legend to key items. Much more satisfying to know that the enchantments on your ancient elf blade overcame your foe's defenses than that +1 sword you picked up somewhere.

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