12-22-2019, 10:39 AM | #21 |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
Make it a Talent or Wildcard skill with (Aspected, Search & Rescue only, -20%)?
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12-22-2019, 11:09 AM | #22 | |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
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Talent is potentially more reasonable than Wildcards, in that it allows for smaller collections of skills and doesn't have a built-in assumption that “this is inherently unrealistic”; but it isn't really a Talent (which isn't just skill bonuses, and which requires special exemption from normal rules to “train it up”, as Talents are generally not something you can learn). You might call it Job Training (from PU3: Talents, p.25), in which case you'd need to design a Search and Rescue occupational template. |
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12-22-2019, 02:16 PM | #23 | ||
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12-22-2019, 02:53 PM | #24 |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
A third option that comes to mind is Expert Skill: Search & Rescue. Expert Skills cover a lot of the need for a skill that comprises a lot of narrow specialization of other skills, which I'd say S&R is.
As a Hard skill it'd basically be what S&R is anyway (only IQ instead of Per, though I think it'd be reasonable to let it float as needed), but I imagine it'd go down easier and have a very clear intent. |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
It is if you're used to running DF/RPG, because that is exactly what Observation has become:
"This is the talent of spotting the interesting and the dangerous from afar." End of sentence. The nonsensical "without letting others know that you are watching' has been dropped (IMO watching without being spotted requires Stealth or Acting). Observation is 'trained' Perception* in DF/RPG, so... extrapolating forward, I'd prefer to see rules for expanding its use to "also observing things when you don't care if you're spotted". Quote:
In other words, what part of "observe" has become a foreign operation to Observation? Quote:
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Why in your estimation is one worthy of Observation and the other not? Quote:
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Seriously, Observation is used whenever the PC is deliberately looking for something that isn't a pat down. To be fair, there is no "trained passive Perception", that's just raising Perception. But trained deliberate searching that isn't a pat down? Observation. What skill is used versus Camouflage? Observation. Disguise? Observation. Filch? Observation. Third party to a Pickpocket? Observation. Sleight of Hand? Observation. Stealth? Raw Perception. Seriously, this was a dropped ball in my opinion and should also have been Observation. Everyone always gets hung up on "without letting others know that you are watching", but that is literally the least part of this skill. |
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12-22-2019, 07:15 PM | #26 | |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
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Which is fine. Observation has been brought up as an example of an existing skill of use in search and rescue operations, but if that doesn't seem right, it can be ejected from the conversation. That still leaves other existing skills that fit the bill, and still leaves the question (as I see it): Does a new Search and Rescue skill fill a valid gap not covered by existing skills? For me, it's a tentative "yes, there's something we can use this skill for, that existing skills don't cover". Others may not agree.
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12-23-2019, 02:35 AM | #27 |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
People seem to be turning the side benefit of not being particularly suspicious while on the lookout into a central shtick of the skill that somehow negates its other benefits (such as standing in for Perception in various situations).
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12-23-2019, 04:40 AM | #28 |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
I'm not sure why the "not being noticed part" isn't covered by the Shadowing skill (or Stealth or Camouflage), and leave only the "notes important details for use in court, by analysts, by tacticians, etc" part for Observation. But prolly this should all go to the appropriate Skill-of-the-Week thread.
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12-23-2019, 04:57 AM | #29 | |
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Shadowing is another one of those "this shouldn't be it's own skill Skills" (which is why I houseruled it away in my games). |
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12-23-2019, 05:56 AM | #30 |
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Re: [Disasters: Hurricane] Skill of the Week: Search and Rescue
Well, I mean "isn't only covered by Shadowing."
I think Shadowing is fine as a skill, as it's something we see secret agents being trained in and using on screen all the time. But if the difference between Observation's not being seen and Shadowing's not being seen is whether you're moving or not, that seems like an odd distinction between the skills.
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