How to defeat Reflexive Insubstantial?

[ZmbeHntr]

Is there any way to kill a character with Insubstantial (Reflexive, +40%) without using an attack that has Affects Insubstantial?

[David Johnston2]

Poison gas.
Sense based attack
Exploit his power source
Use a Weakness
Attack his mind
Poison his food
Kill him in his sleep
Any other method of achieving total surprise

[lexington]

Be Insubstantial.

[Anaraxes]

Neutralize / Static his power source.

[David Johnston2]

Insubstantial doesn't stop Afflictions.

[jeff_wilson]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Insubstantial doesn't stop Afflictions.

An Affliction with magic or psionic power modifiers could zap the Insubstantial subject, I expect.

[B9anders]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Insubstantial doesn't stop Afflictions.

yes it does.

It's Maledictions that it doesn't stop.

edit: well I suppose technically Insubstantiality doesn't stop the affliction. But neither does it affect the insubstantial character unless suitably modified with Affects Insubstantial or Malediction.

[SCAR]

Originally Posted by ZmbeHntr

Is there any way to kill a character with Insubstantial (Reflexive, +40%) without using an attack that has Affects Insubstantial?

This makes me think of the 'ghost' twins from Matrix 2.

If they've got no other limitations of their Insubstantial, some variant of Affects Insubstantial is going to be the main solution (although no necessarily the only one).

If the ability only keeps the character Insubstantial for a short period, then an ongoing damage effect might be a solution.

[Nosforontu]

Originally Posted by ZmbeHntr

Is there any way to kill a character with Insubstantial (Reflexive, +40%) without using an attack that has Affects Insubstantial?

If all you have is mundane countermeasures one possibility is to put the character into arcs of fire that they might not be willing to use their turns insubstantial power. This works specificaly well when the character is a fanatic towards something, has a sense of duty or dependent.

Scenarios like this: "Yes you can certainly turn insubstantial and the bullet aimed at your lower torso will absolutely not hit you...of course your 10 year old little brother who doesnt have insubstantial is standing right behind you and the bullet arc will make it a head shot against him. Whats your final decision?"

[B9anders]

Originally Posted by ZmbeHntr

Is there any way to kill a character with Insubstantial (Reflexive, +40%) without using an attack that has Affects Insubstantial?

deceptive attack good enough for him to fail his power dodge.

Reflexive isn't Cosmic: Unfailing Defence. It's just a 40% enhancement that allows you to make a power dodge thanks to a level of reduced time and in some cases do this instinctively where someone merely with reduced time would not get a defence roll (I allow it even when the character is surprised, though at a -2 penalty reflecting the -4 activation roll normally on reflexive 'switching itself on').

If the character wants to not roll at all for power dodges, he needs the cosmic modifiers from Power-Ups:4.

Reflexive is really not much better for defences and such than reduced time. It comes into its own far more when applying to things like Mind-Reading, Detect and senses requiring activation, effectively turning them from passive to active senses.