09-23-2021, 11:01 AM | #11 | |
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
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And there’s not only that, but the fact that you can give long handles to one-handed weapons and enjoy them with all the benefits from a two-handed version (+1 to damage and reach) with no downsides at all, as they’re almost all already (except the hatchet) Parry (U) anyway. Why use an Axe or Mace two-handed and not simply give it a long handle in that case? It makes no sense. Last edited by Spada; 09-23-2021 at 11:06 AM. |
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09-23-2021, 11:13 AM | #12 |
Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
Yes, the Tetsubo is a flanged staff. You appear to have misread the LTC entry for the axe, though; an Axe with a long handle has the same readying characteristics as the Long Axe, but with +1 damage. (IMO, the Long Axe should've already had that +1 anyway).
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09-24-2021, 04:59 AM | #13 |
Join Date: Apr 2013
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
A quick Google image search reveals that flanges are typical for a tetsubo, so it's probably best to assume that the one in the weapon table has them.
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09-24-2021, 02:28 PM | #14 | ||||
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
I'm going to assume we're talking about two-handed use here since the Long Axe (LT70) is only listed under Two-Handed Axe, whereas the basic Axe is listed under both the 1H and 2H categorie.s.
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LTC2p13's "Long" option gives +1 to reach which would give a fixed reach of 2, which is less flexible than a reach of 1,2 LTC2p23 also gives the Long Axe slightly more HP (12) than the Axe (10) and there's no note about getting extra HP when using the 'long' option to modify weapons. ST requirements are also a factor here. Notice for example that a basic axe has a ST requirement of 10 as a 4lb weapon wielded 2-handed. You're supposed to use 2/3 of weapon weight when wielded 2-handed which would be about 2.6. Per LTC2p15 (Determining Weapon ST) this would be "less than 3" which is normally a ST of 8, so this axe design seems to require +2 ST relative to it's weight. Now if we increase weight by 50% to 6, using 2/3 of that would be 4, which falls under "Less than 6" or ST 11. Applying +2 to that would be ST 13, which means it would be harder to handle a "Long Handle Axe" compared to the mere ST 11 requirement of wielding a "Long Axe". Quote:
A not-horrible house-rule might be if it is already 0U and has a single-dagger ST to upgrade it to double-dagger St. Quote:
What was once the "axe" in basic set for example could be renamed "Basic Axe" so that we don't confuse the "Long Handle Basic Axe" with the Long Axe. Quote:
Well as before, the Tetsubo would have more flexible range than a Long Handle Maxe (reach 1,2 vs reach 2) making it more versatile for close-range use. As before I do think it would make a nice houserule to upgrade single-daggar to double-daggar ST when doing this. The weight/ST issue is also worth analyzing here too. Maces require more ST than usual because if you applied 2/3 of weight 5 you get around 3.3 which per "less than 4" should require ST 10 to use. Applying 2/3 of the +50% weight 7.5 is 5 ("less than 8") which is normally ST 11, but if we're doing +1 then it would be ST 12... Which is still better off than needing ST 13 like the Tetsubo, so I guess the Long Handle combo wins here, unlike the Axe/Long Axe comparison. |
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09-24-2021, 04:39 PM | #15 | |
Join Date: Sep 2021
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
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Try the Axe from the Low-Tech, not from Basic Set, and you’ll understand what I meant. And I don’t think a long handle also raises the minimum range, but only gives a reach +1* option. |
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09-24-2021, 05:02 PM | #16 | |
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
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What changes are you talking about? Realistically yeah, just going by RAW |
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09-27-2021, 12:34 PM | #17 |
Join Date: Sep 2021
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
Mistake on my part, I didn’t realize the basic Axe from LT is still the same stat-wise lol.
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10-05-2021, 09:02 PM | #18 | |
Join Date: Sep 2021
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
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Definitely a problem we'd like to be addressed here lol. The only downside is slighty lower weapon HP. Meanwhile I'm just houseruling that long handle axe/maces/picks get a cross to their ST (thus becoming two-handed only unless you got a ton of ST) and get a double cross if they're already unbalanced parry. |
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10-11-2021, 07:39 PM | #19 |
Join Date: Sep 2021
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Re: [LTC] About axes and long handles
It would sure be nice if we could get official answers to that…
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