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Old 05-18-2008, 03:37 PM   #21
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TNG had an episode where Riker phasers down his clones on the basis he had the right to do so. VERY bad episode. However, DS9 has an episode where killing your clone is murder, a differnce between Federation Law and Bajoran law.
That was some kind of lame abortion rights metaphor so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. By comparison, no one suggests William T. Riker has a right to kill William R. Riker.

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Old 05-18-2008, 04:28 PM   #22
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That was some kind of lame abortion rights metaphor so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. By comparison, no one suggests William T. Riker has a right to kill William R. Riker.

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Exceedingly bad episode, but by virtue of being an episode, it's canon.
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Old 05-18-2008, 04:44 PM   #23
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On the other hand, since in one TNG episode we find out that all different possibilities have their own universe, anything that is "canon" may have occured in a parallel universe... So no need to feel like you aren't authoritative no matter what you do.. hehehehe
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Old 05-18-2008, 05:00 PM   #24
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On the other hand, since in one TNG episode we find out that all different possibilities have their own universe, anything that is "canon" may have occured in a parallel universe... So no need to feel like you aren't authoritative no matter what you do.. hehehehe
But the 'correct' timeline is depicted in the episodes unless EXPLICITLY negated by other episodes. Most of a seaso or so of Voyager had this done. what specific episode can you cite to negate that TNG show?
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Old 05-18-2008, 05:57 PM   #25
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But the 'correct' timeline is depicted in the episodes unless EXPLICITLY negated by other episodes. Most of a seaso or so of Voyager had this done. what specific episode can you cite to negate that TNG show?
Parallels, season seven. :)
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Old 05-18-2008, 06:13 PM   #26
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This is a alternate universe then? There was a Star Trek Rouge's sourcebook I used to have made by decipher, you could see if you can find that somewhere...?
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Old 05-18-2008, 08:46 PM   #27
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This is a alternate universe then? ?
Yes, of course. It's an exagerated parody of TNG. The real version is a socialist society, but it's a society with respect for civil rights, albeit one in which almost all of humanity are now Homo Servus. But I want something for the PCs to rebel against so I'm cranking up the ick factor.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:19 PM   #28
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Of course, the real ick factor comes from how easy it is to mistake the parody for the original. On the surface, everything looks exactly the same; it's only when you dig beneath the surface that things get disturbing.

And here's the real trick: no one's really looked beneath the surface of TNG, either. For the most part, we essentially take the writers' word that it's an idyllic world. This concept has the most impact if it's so close to the original that what's true for the parody might possibly be true for the original as well.

In effect, apply the lessons of GURPS Illuminati to the Star Trek franchise.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:28 PM   #29
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4. Biotechnology. Officially, there are a lot of restrictions on what can and can't be done in the Federation. No cloning, no supersoldiers, no attempts to enhance people's brains. As far as the public at large is concerned, biotechnology goes so far as ensuring their offspring don't have a troublesome gene for muscular dystropy or an antisocial personality. As a result the most common genetic Disadvantage among Earth humans is Selfless. Of course, in secret the Federation does have covert projects trying to produce superspies, psychics to order and genius intellects but they are legitimately paranoid about genetic upgrades and hedge them around with restrictions to make sure they don't get out of hand, as well as keeping their existence very secret. Black market upgrades scare the heck out of them, since they don't have the carefully prescribed personality traits and indoctrination that that try to ensure their little supermen won't get out of hand. Even with their own projects, more than one germline has been terminated because some of them started to look a bit unreliable.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:31 PM   #30
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Yes, of course. It's an exaggerated parody of TNG. The real version is a socialist society, but it's a society with respect for civil rights, albeit one in which almost all of humanity are now Homo Servus.
This brings up the question: You say that the society respects civil rights; but what if said civil rights are contingent on the person in question being "Homo Servus", as you put it? True, that would make said rights a sham; but since most Federation citizens are properly indoctrinated, who'd notice?
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