Defensive Attack + MaxST

[Varyon]

Originally Posted by Plane

if max thrust is basically thrust provided by 3x the ST needed to wield the weapon without DX penalties I'm not sure why they don't just list that thrust

Why would they? It would just be another entry cluttering up a table that already has quite a few entries on it and would only be useful in the edge case where a character picks up a new weapon that he/she is too strong for (if it's something the character uses normally, the player would have already done the table lookup and written the relevant damage down).

[kirbwarrior]

Originally Posted by johndallman

There are weapons in Martial Arts with MinST as low as 4, under Knife, p. 228. They aren't likely to be anyone's main weapon, but they can be useful if concealed.

Weird. Like, that's definitely neat, but still odd for a SM+0 weapon to have that low of MinST. Even 6 seemed bizarre to me. Then again, looking at the straight razor, they might have decided the MinST by starting with what the MaxST would be.

[Plane]

Originally Posted by Varyon

Why would they? It would just be another entry cluttering up a table that already has quite a few entries on it and would only be useful in the edge case where a character picks up a new weapon that he/she is too strong for (if it's something the character uses normally, the player would have already done the table lookup and written the relevant damage down).

Doesn't seem like it would take much room, could even make it part of the existing damage column and just write min/max dice. Would just save needing to check the table so much.

[Varyon]

Originally Posted by Plane

Doesn't seem like it would take much room, could even make it part of the existing damage column and just write min/max dice. Would just save needing to check the table so much.

It's another column, and another entry in the section detailing what "Max Dam" corresponds to, and possibly needing to expand the entries for Fine and Very Fine to state the bonus also applies to Max Dam. And, again, it's only useful for the edge case of a character picking up a new weapon that he/she is too strong for. Is this a problem in your campaigns, that players have to constantly disrupt play to check the table to see how much damage the knife their character just picked up can do?

Originally Posted by kirbwarrior

I don't know if it's said in the books, but I know Kromm has on multiple occasions pointed out that was the intent. What I put together was that the weapon can't do more than MaxST + base weapon damage.

I'd say if you're going with that Kromm ruling in your house, then go all the way, if dice adds count against the Max ST, then dice penalties should also apply before Max ST is determined.


But, I'll note, that's never been the way I've ruled. I treat max ST as the Maximum ST that can be used for damage calculation, any other dice adds from non-ST sources (Weapon Master, Quality, Posoin, Magic, Etc) are counted after ST is capped.