10-25-2016, 06:08 PM | #11 |
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Re: Mind Control Questions
And what I said is that starts during, and continues after. So no, not the opposite.
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10-25-2016, 06:45 PM | #12 | |||
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10-25-2016, 07:07 PM | #13 |
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Re: Mind Control Questions
It still sounds like exactly what are causes, effects, and lingering results are up in the air.
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Hm, so it seems that the Bard should be able to concentrate, make the Will contest roll, then continue to sing as a free action and still have the mind control work for 1x Degree of Success minuets. Commands will have to be sung, and if the bard stops singing then the effects will end.
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10-25-2016, 10:30 PM | #15 |
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Re: Mind Control Questions
Yes, exactly.
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11-10-2016, 07:27 AM | #16 |
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Re: Mind Control Questions
A few more questions:
1) If the bard must keep singing, I assume the target must also still be able to hear the song. In cases where the bard commands the subject to leave, that will only last till they get outside of the audible range of the song, right? 2) What about controlling multiple subjects? Does the bard (turn 1) concentrate and begin singing. Then (turn 2) concentrate on the second subject while the "dropping" the concentration on the first (but letting the 1 min per margin of victory last) while keep singing? Basically allowing the song to maintain the magic for both (or even more) subjects? 3) How long before the subject begins to act on the Bard's command? Basic states that the character with Mind Control must concentrate for one second then roll. I've been treating this the same as a 1 second spell, where they may concentrate and roll on the same combat turn. This means that the control begins immediately and the subject will do what the bard wants on IT's next turn... but maybe it needs to loose "its" turn and instead act on the Bards next turn.
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Also, victims of Mind Control get a Will roll to resist when you first establish it. That's happening every single second with the Baneful Song build, as the effect lasts for 1 second and then gets applied again on the bard's next turn. (When taken literally per RAW, it would be kind of a die-rolling pain for a large group, and you'd get weird sporadic behavior as a victim obeys for a couple of seconds, then recovers, then starts obeying again.) Last edited by Anaraxes; 11-10-2016 at 08:18 AM. |
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11-10-2016, 12:12 PM | #18 |
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Re: Mind Control Questions
Thanks, but I'm not using Baneful Song. Just Mind Control (PM: Bard Song) which doesn't include Reduced Duration nor Area Effect.
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If that matches your concept of a bard song, then great. If not, then you probably need to add some modifiers to make it fit your concept. The DF builds show one way to do it. |
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