DR of shields? Why so much higher than ordinary slab of wood? - Page 9

Icelander · 06-14-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dangerious P. Cats

3rd edition Low Tech or Cabaret Chicks on Ice?

Dan is one of the authors of that fabled manuscript and he enjoys giving the hoi polloi a tantalizing glimpse of the dancing maids.

So you may regard this as a sneak preview. ;)

sjmdw45 · 06-15-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Verjigorm

QFT. The only two instances I can think of two single hand weapons are a character in a Viking Saga and Miyomoto Musashi's Nito Ichi Ryu. And in the case of the viking, we just don't really know, though he was definitely an exception rather than the Rule. And in Musashi, the two swords arn't always used simultaneously.

Now of course, there are things like Kali and Escrima. But shields are the most common, and there must be a reason. Effectiveness seems to make alot of sense.

Why does reading this make me want to see a rematch between Onos Toolan and Mok? (Seguleh use paired swords and Imass use two-handed swords.)

/OT (NRL)

-Max

Not another shrubbery · 06-19-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Icelander

Dan is one of the authors of that fabled manuscript and he enjoys giving the hoi polloi a tantalizing glimpse of the dancing maids.

So you may regard this as a sneak preview. ;)

Ladies dancing… the maids should be out in the barn :/

Heh… peeks behind the curtain are fun *g*

Hoi polloi… I didn’t get a vote :|

Michael Lewis · 05-15-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DanHoward

Low Tech gives shields a DR of 4. Light variants have DR 2. Hit Points are calculated based on weight and the Objects Hit Points Table.

Does this mean the shields weight in Basic p.287 are wrong? Or does a medium shield weight 15lbs. and has 40 h.p.?

How do you use the chart on p.558 to determine the weight of a shield?

Bruno · 05-15-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Lewis

Does this mean the shields weight in Basic p.287 are wrong? Or does a medium shield weight 15lbs. and has 40 h.p.?

"Wrong" is a strong word, but Low Tech uses different weights and VERY different HP.

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Originally Posted by Michael Lewis

How do you use the chart on p.558 to determine the weight of a shield?

You don't use the chart to determine the weight of a shield. You use the chart to determine the HP of a shield based on weight.

Langy · 05-15-2010, 01:08 PM

I'd be surprised if the shield weights in the basic set aren't wrong since I've seen nothing to suggest anything but tower shields (which are moveable cover, not actual shields that you use to block with) weigh anywhere near 25 pounds (or even 15 pounds, to be honest).

I'm pretty sure you don't use the chart in the basic set to determine the weight of a shield because shields aren't just slabs of wood - they're reinforced with metal, which significantly reduces their weight for the same DR.

Meanwhile, metal shields with the same amount of DR should weigh significantly less than wooden shields (since metal provides more DR for the same weight as wood), but would have lower HP. If they have the same HP, they should have more DR but weigh the same. There's no reason for metal shields to weigh more than wooden shields unless you want them to be super-reinforced or something.

Tzeentch · 05-15-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Verjigorm

Dan, will Low-Tech also include options for shields that were used while strapped onto the body? Such as the "buckler" I've read about Persian and Roman Cataphracts utilizing alongside their Kontos, or the aspis the Diadochi pikemen/phalangites used alongside their pikes?

-- Not Dan, but last I saw it did have rules for using a shield with a guige -- either alone or in combination with a grip.

Michael Lewis · 05-15-2010, 01:31 PM

So what should I use for shield weight? My DF group would find this info very useful since we do use encumbrance rules.

Dan gave up the info about DR being 4 and 2

Bruno's revised low-tech armor table gives weight for armor and not shields.

If I use the chart on p.558, could I have a have an 8 lb. shield with 16 hp?
Would it be medium or small?

Tzeentch · 05-15-2010, 04:11 PM

IIRC the main difference between the LT shields and the Basic ones is that they were somewhat lighter, cheaper, and FAR flimsier (DR/HP). So just use the Basic shields with the DR and item HP based on weight as noted in this thread.

~~Ragitsu~~ · 05-15-2010, 04:16 PM

The part in the movie Troy where Brad Pitt's shield stops a spear: fantasy, or possible?

05-15-2010, 01:08 PM	#86
Langy Join Date: May 2008 Location: CA	Re: DR of shields? Why so much higher than ordinary slab of wood? I'd be surprised if the shield weights in the basic set aren't wrong since I've seen nothing to suggest anything but tower shields (which are moveable cover, not actual shields that you use to block with) weigh anywhere near 25 pounds (or even 15 pounds, to be honest). I'm pretty sure you don't use the chart in the basic set to determine the weight of a shield because shields aren't just slabs of wood - they're reinforced with metal, which significantly reduces their weight for the same DR. Meanwhile, metal shields with the same amount of DR should weigh significantly less than wooden shields (since metal provides more DR for the same weight as wood), but would have lower HP. If they have the same HP, they should have more DR but weigh the same. There's no reason for metal shields to weigh more than wooden shields unless you want them to be super-reinforced or something.

05-15-2010, 01:31 PM	#88
Michael Lewis Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lexington ky, U.S.A	Re: DR of shields? Why so much higher than ordinary slab of wood? So what should I use for shield weight? My DF group would find this info very useful since we do use encumbrance rules. Dan gave up the info about DR being 4 and 2 Bruno's revised low-tech armor table gives weight for armor and not shields. If I use the chart on p.558, could I have a have an 8 lb. shield with 16 hp? Would it be medium or small?

05-15-2010, 04:11 PM	#89
Tzeentch Join Date: Aug 2004	Re: DR of shields? Why so much higher than ordinary slab of wood? IIRC the main difference between the LT shields and the Basic ones is that they were somewhat lighter, cheaper, and FAR flimsier (DR/HP). So just use the Basic shields with the DR and item HP based on weight as noted in this thread.

05-15-2010, 04:16 PM	#90
~~Ragitsu~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon	Re: DR of shields? Why so much higher than ordinary slab of wood? The part in the movie Troy where Brad Pitt's shield stops a spear: fantasy, or possible?