05-11-2021, 10:53 AM | #11 | |
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05-11-2021, 12:19 PM | #12 | |
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But... these illegal designs have stories behind them and stories make the game more than pushing cardboard round a map or "battlin' spreadsheets". If you remember the good stories but forget the personalities (and the tantrums) then it can drive the game for new generations. For me it will always be the 2030's ;) |
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05-11-2021, 01:47 PM | #13 | ||
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Hence the only change is "take the CA weight and cost off the RLs, and add a EM for the SD" -- the absolute minimum change required to make it legal again (as opposed to the "official" update, which is a little more invasive).
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05-12-2021, 01:58 AM | #14 | |
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I think this points up the challenge of redesigning. Much of the design process is subjective. Your interpretation of the intent leads to to a particular design philosophy, my interpretation leads to another. We cannot really know what the intent was so we can't really correct the design, merely revisit it. It was a bit easier with the ADQ designs and the earlier VGs as the fluff text was a clue as to where the design was trying to go. Of course there have always been re-designs of classic vehicles in real life and these can be controversial (the re-treading of the VW Beetle and Austin Mini for example). Clearly the designer thought they were re-capturing the spirit of the original, others clearly disagreed. These differing perspectives generate variation and as long as the intent of the re-design is clearly stated it generates a valid variation. One day, I'll collate all the "official" updates into my ongoing catalogue of published designs. I tend to use CWVD but as this produces a whole spread sheet for each design I had to put together a Python script to collate all the summary pages into a single file for ease of reference. You would think that during lockdown I would have found time to systematically go through all of them, but the lure of the mini-series was too great ;) |
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05-12-2021, 03:18 PM | #15 | |
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I might do that for the next installment: A "retcon" of the _Challenger_ showing how arena designs might have evolved over time.... :)
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05-12-2021, 03:35 PM | #16 |
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ADQ 7/1 has a Combat Showcase Errata article on page 33 . Challenger has updated stats there .
Blast Cannon in a Compact could work if you make it a Spinal Mount . Drop the Ramplate , swap 150 cu in for an uprated 100 cu in (Turbo?) & it could work I suppose . All Gas Engined designs from VG2 need complete overhauls to .
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05-13-2021, 01:09 AM | #17 |
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The errata for combat showcase is also in the errata section of the website (in case you don't have ADQ 7-1). Most require minor tweaks, but a few require extensive overhauls.
I may have to dust off my combat showcase and redraft the designs. It's almost like playing the game ;) Edit: But it's like picking at scabs ;( I was hoping the Navigator was legal as there is no mention of it in the errata (and this one won the 2036 championships). I presume they were using the "personal equipment doesn't count against vehicle weight" interpretation as there is only 3lb spare for all that stuff. Not the way I play it, but at least that is a thing. Obviously that AV ammo rifle is illegal now though so the personal equipment needs refiguring. However I make it $3960 over the ticket price before the personal equipment is taken into account (I note the PE cost is listed separately). I can't see any reason unless not all RL rounds were LG (or the LG cost was only paid per RL not per round as it should have been - but that brings the cost too low). Last edited by swordtart; 05-13-2021 at 05:29 AM. |
05-13-2021, 01:29 PM | #18 | |
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I've crunched numbers on the Navigator a few times over the years. First off, the weight instead of grenade-equivalent rules for hand weapons didn't exist back then. It was several years before that option came into existence. By my calculations, it weighs in at $165 over budget, but is otherwise legal. (Drop the rifle load to 13 and it becomes legal for the division in the era it was created in). Obviously the rules have changed since then. And some changes could be made to take advantage of newer gear. The super PP could become a large PP with superconductors. Net gain 1 space, 200 lbs. Top speed drops to 90. The Hi Res computer could become a hi-res SWC. Net gain $1500. Passengers are no longer allowed, fortunately the PP change gives the space to convert the passenger to a gunner. Net loss 1 space. AV ammo is no longer allowed. Drop the rifle. Net gain $620. Give the gunner an Heavy AV rifle with a targeting scope and an extended clip. Net loss $1580. Use weight instead of GE: Net loss: 116 lbs. Cost reduction from printed design: $375 (counting the overage amount). Weight reduction from printed design: 84 lbs. Top speed reduced to 90. PP only has 10 DP. 2nd crewmember is now legal and has a legal hand weapon which does more damage than the rifle, with the same to hit roll.
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05-13-2021, 01:32 PM | #19 | |
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05-13-2021, 03:21 PM | #20 | |
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So, for ex.: On the _Pop-Cart_, Spinal Mounts are Right Out, as they didn't exist at the time _VG3_ was published; SWCs did exist, so can be used. On the _Challenger_, PCs and SCs didn't exist when _CS_ was published, so those aren't allowed; one is required to retain the HD Trans.
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