Size modifier in melee?

[Luther]

Originally Posted by RogerBacon

The two size -6 creatures would be at -6 to hit each other... if they were swinging their swords at one or two yeads away from each other. If they are fighting at a couple of inches (much more likely) then they will get a +6 to hit for range. That will cancel out the -6 to hit for size.

You can find all sorts of great rules for size at http://www.io.com/~tbone/gurps/GULLIVER/indexframe.html
I assume that is the web page of the same tbone who posts here.

Roger Bacon

Just to say that, according to what T.Bone said, the above is an house rule (and really a good one IMO), not the official stance. In fact G4 doesn't have anymore positive modifiers for shorter ranges.

[Dwarfolo]

Originally Posted by RogerBacon

The two size -6 creatures would be at -6 to hit each other... if they were swinging their swords at one or two yeads away from each other. If they are fighting at a couple of inches (much more likely) then they will get a +6 to hit for range. That will cancel out the -6 to hit for size.

You can find all sorts of great rules for size at http://www.io.com/~tbone/gurps/GULLIVER/indexframe.html
I assume that is the web page of the same tbone who posts here.

Roger Bacon

Thanks Roger, I had already checked it out lurking around the forum :)
And like you and Luther I've found it very useful.

Thanks again.

[Staten]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

it Should be pointed out, that all first two are SM +0.

160 centimeter = 5'3"
183 centimeter = 6'

197 centimeter = 6'6"

he counts as SM +1 though.

I know. I'm just pointing out the effects of height on melee combat IRL. "Within the human size variation" is effectively within SM0. That the tall guy is tecnincaly SM+1 is an unexpected bounus. (Even though the height difference between me and the short ones are larger...)
Sadly, you rarely get to fight people shorter or taller than this in real life.

[BalanceFx]

I dont understand how absoulute SM makes sense for melee.

2 Ants get into a fight. They are at -10 or -11 to hit each other. So assuming they have atleast a 50/50 shot of landing a blow then they have a brawling skill of 20 or 21?

To make a less outlandish example. What is the penalty for a SM+1 orc to hit a SM -1 Goblin?

How about a SM+10 giant to hit a SM -1 goblin with his sword? (How do we account for the ridiculous thickness/width of a sword?) (Would we apply a ranged penalty since the giants sword has to travel 150 yards or so before it even gets close to the goblin?) If the Giant can attack that goblin every second with a sword doesnt that imply he is swinging his sword at 150/yards per second or about 300 mph? (900 mph if he rapid strikes.) Isn't he breaking the sound barrier now with his attacks?

I just want to know how to truly use SM. The rules seem to imply absolute which gets silly at extremes. Two giants with 15 skill... I want to hit that giant in the eye.... Ok so thats only a +1 to hit the eye...

[Hai-Etlik]

This is a 3 year old thread. Relative SM in melee is official and in the FAQ: http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/faq/FAQ4-3.html#SS3.4.2.23

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Hai-Etlik

This is a 3 year old thread. Relative SM in melee is official and in the FAQ: http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/faq/FAQ4-3.html#SS3.4.2.23

Thanks! Much more awesomeness. So everything is relative.

[jamesfoxbr]

http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=23

but not really. It was omitted for the same reason why speed isn't added to range in combat between fighters on foot (p. B550): as a simplification

Basic Set P. 550

Note that there is no modifier at ranges of 2 yards or less – shooting a close target is no easier (and no harder) than attacking
it in melee combat!

Then, melee combat no uses Size Modifier =P

[younglorax]

Originally Posted by jamesfoxbr

Then, melee combat no uses Size Modifier =P

in response:

Originally Posted by Hai-Etlik

This is a 3 year old thread. Relative SM in melee is official and in the FAQ: http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/faq/FAQ4-3.html#SS3.4.2.23

(the post you linked is also three years old)

[Ludo]

Originally Posted by Luther

I was already using Size Modifier in melee, the way T.Bone suggested. But I didn't believe it was official. I hope that Kromm jumps in to clarify relative Size Modifier and Weapon vs Size Modifier (as in the fly example), and then Ellie put them in the FAQ.

I personally use Relative Size modifier this way:
When SM are different (SMa > SMb) apply a modifier equal to the difference of SM-1 as a bonus to the smaller character, and a penalty to the bigger one.

Hence you avoid big SM0 guys of 2,06 meters getting a bonus to hit small SM1 guys of 2,11 meters and inversely.

[jamesfoxbr]

Originally Posted by younglorax

in response:



(the post you linked is also three years old)

The FAQ is not a official Role book... -_-""
In Gurps Basic Set Campaigns say about the sizer modifier ONLY in Ranged Combat, and ONLY Ranger Combat table in the end of book. It's simple!