Norse Giant can't use his three yards long sword

[demonsbane]

I have a small problem with GURPS Vikings 2nd edition -actually, for issues as this I have the same problem with GURPS as whole trying to handle Fantasy.

The Giants presented there have ST 40-50 (third edition score). The Damage entry says: "As weapon". The description of the creature specifies they use inmense versions of human weapons, and for instance the sword of the giant is 15 feet long.

Well, I can to figure the damage from the Strenght (40-50), but where can I to find these inmense versions of human weapons mentioned in my book -for instance that 15 feet long sword?

Due the objective lack of data about these weapons (I can be wrong here, but I'm definitely unable to find them! 4e Fantasy and Banestorm, both have nothing to add here), the entry "Damage: as weapon" (G: Vikings 2nd edition, page 87) remains useless to me.

For figuring out this lacking data, is guessed we have to take standard Broadsword (+1 swing, cutting) and taking this damage number (+1 swing) to the size of that giant version?

Some broadswords are 3 feet long, so this giant sized weapon (15 feet) would cause five times that standard damage, that is to say, +5 swing cutting? Is this the solution? I think not.

If the answer is I need another future GURPS book (4e Low Tech?) for fixing the weapons of the giant... What would mean then actually "Generic" and the "Anything you want" claim from the back cover of Basic Set Characters? Hm.

I had problems as this while handling GURPS third edition, and I still have them in the fourth.

I would love to know what do you think about this issue.

[David Johansen]

I'd go with + 1/2 per die for each +1.

So at 2d / 3d

you'd be at +1 and +1.5 still

but at 5d / 7d

you'd be at +2.5 and +3.5

The weight of the weapon should increase exponentially, say Swing bonus-1 squared times normal mass?

[egamad]

When you hit 40 ST, you're already doing 7d damage on each hit (using swing). At that point, I don't think that the extra damage for the weapon really matters -- whoever you hit is in for a world of hurt either way. But if you really care, I'd say just add an extra die of damage.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Don't know if this will help but the Rev. has some good stuff on his page, you might want to check it out.

Ghostdancer

[David Johnston]

Seems to me that a broadsword in proportion to your height does...+1 swing/cutting. Their swords are giant because they are giant. 7d+1 damage is enough, doncha think?

[jacobmuller]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

Don't know if this will help but the Rev. has some good stuff on his page, you might want to check it out.

Ghostdancer

Oooh, I love that page, a work of art:) TQ Ghost and Al Hail P.Kitty:)
A ST40 Thrusting Broadsword would be Sw+8, Th+9, Reach 2 and 48lb...
But it would still only be 6ft long. Hmm, 15ft is a ST ratio of 25 so you'd need to have ST250 but you'd only get +9 instead of +7. Vikings did tend to exagerate a little:)

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by jacobmuller

Oooh, I love that page, a work of art:) TQ Ghost and Al Hail P.Kitty:)
A ST40 Thrusting Broadsword would be Sw+8, Th+9, Reach 2 and 48lb...
But it would still only be 6ft long. Hmm, 15ft is a ST ratio of 25 so you'd need to have ST250 but you'd only get +9 instead of +7. Vikings did tend to exagerate a little:)

No prob I just hope the OP was helped some

Ghostdancer

[Mgellis]

Originally Posted by David Johnston

Seems to me that a broadsword in proportion to your height does...+1 swing/cutting. Their swords are giant because they are giant. 7d+1 damage is enough, doncha think?

And, remember, if it's cutting damage, then against flesh you're really doing about 10d after the wounding modifier is figured in. Ouch.

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by David Johnston

Seems to me that a broadsword in proportion to your height does...+1 swing/cutting. Their swords are giant because they are giant. 7d+1 damage is enough, doncha think?

Another way to look at it was that All out Attack did +2 or +1/die of damage, whichever was greater.

So instead of +1 cut, make it +1/die cutting.

Or +1/2dice, if you want to nerf it a bit.

So your giant size broadsword would do 7d+7; convert to 9d cut if you'd like.

(and since a sword will probably weigh about 2-3lbs for a "normal" ST person who can weild it - the MinST for the weapon - I'd look at a Giant ST sword as being the same proportion of Basic Lift).

So that's 3lbs, MinST 10. Basic Lift = 20. So a one-handed broadsword weighs 15% of basic lift. For a ST40 Giant with Basic Lift 320lbs, that's a 48lbs sword)

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by jacobmuller

Hmm, 15ft is a ST ratio of 25 so you'd need to have ST250 but you'd only get +9 instead of +7. Vikings did tend to exagerate a little:)

Maybe the giant was using a zweihander?