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Old 03-29-2021, 10:10 AM   #121
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More Examples (Portal in DC unless otherwise indicated)
  1. Yankee - North secedes and wins the civil war.
  2. Madison - Canada annexed in War of 1812.
  3. Whiggish Dream - France conquers thirteen colonies during 18th century, only for them to successfully rebel later.
  4. Bull Moose - Teddy Roosevelt wins third term and invades Mexico.
  5. Estados Unidos - The Spanish Armada crushes England. About 200 years later New Spain rebels!
  6. Kingfish - Huey Long forces a contingent election in '36 and becomes president in 1940, charting a populist and isolationist course.
  7. Wobblies - Economic troubles caused by German victory in WW1 (Britain stayed out and no one calls it that) led to general strikes and syndicalist revolution in America.
  8. Vinlandsaga - A more diplomatic approach towards the indigenous population helped Lief Ericsson's colony survive and thrive.
  9. Seven United Colonies - 80 years' war and the French wars of religion end in a Catholic Victory. Fledgling colonies in New Netherlands are bolstered by large numbers of Calvinist refugees.
  10. Fusang - China settles California in the 14th century, and loses interest during the Ming-Qing Transition. The colony becomes de facto independent and by the early 19th century becomes dominant in North America.
  11. JFK - JFK survives Oswald's attempt, and the Tonkin incident is downplayed. It's 1968, and Nixon must face a deteriorating situation in Thailand with the support of a resolute citizenry.
We can do better than sticking all of these in DC:
  • Madison has its portal in Toronto
  • The Kingfish Portal is in Louisianna
  • Vinlandsaga has its portal in either new hampshire or new brunswick
  • Estados Unidos could have its portal in new mexico, or possibly texas
  • The Fusang portal is likely on the west coast
  • Bull Moose* we could stick in Wyoming, near yellowstone.
  • Seven United Colonies should have its portal in the old new netherlands (new york)

Another idea for an alternate:

Greater France - A kingdom in exile is based near St. Louis, the French rule North America, with a English speaking enclaves on the east coast. A very late french revolution has removed the king from power in Europe, but he's becoming very well established in the Americas.



*It is a mistake to only emphasize foreign policy changes for a third teddy term. The man had what he called the "square deal", and if that sounds like the "new deal", its not a coincidence.
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Old 03-29-2021, 01:47 PM   #122
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We can do better than sticking all of these in DC
Honestly, I had portals listed for maybe half but tossed them when I couldn't come up with localized place names. It was also partially because I was hung up on national capital, to the exclusion of state capitals.

More examples
  1. Mounds - Late Antique Ice Age is far harsher than historically, lead to denser settlements earlier. North Americans better equipped to resist European encroachment. Portal near Cahokia site.
  2. Yellowstone - Post-apocalyptic Yellowstone eruption. US Remnant struggles to maintain control over its territory. Portal near Mount Weather.
  3. Goddard - Goddard receives more funding early in his career (perhaps by demonstrating his bazooka design earlier?), and American rocketry grew far more advanced than historically. Current year is 1962, with moon bases. Portal near Cape Canaveral.
  4. Mirror - High inertia timeline, where the Americas are vertically mirrored. Westward expansion drastically slowed by the Rockies.
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Old 03-30-2021, 09:55 AM   #123
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Other alternates I'd want to look at:


We need a communist alternate. Actually, we probably need two, one in which the gilded age has a much messier end and America is the first socialist revolution, and another that's some form of soviet victory.



An alternate where the US absorbs foreign territory a lot more ambitiously. The Philippines, Puerto Rico, and several central American countries are all states.



A Crony Democracy System featuring machine politics, corrupt state bosses, and the occasional bout of mass vigilantism.


An America of over 70% African decent: the northern colonization efforts never really took off, and the main thrust of colonization was via plantations.
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Old 04-04-2021, 01:46 AM   #124
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So we have multiple threads for seeds of alternate timelines and weird parallels for use in playing in canon IW.

But what about different versions of the meta-setting?
A multiverse of Infinite Worlds is just waiting to be mashed up with other popular RPG genres.

The biggest one I'd like to see is a mashup with dungeon crawling. The PCs hop from universe to universe, hackin' exotic foes and collecting treasure.

Other examples would include:

Multiverse + Call of Cthulhu. Mythos entities are not bound to one universe. Rather, their domain encompasses all universes and their plots are inter-dimensional.

Multiverse + WWII. The Nazis are fighting to conquer not one universe, but all of them. War rages across the multiverses.

Multiverse + Pirates. Traveling to new universes requires passing through the Etheric Void, a strange realm where the rules of reality change as you grow closer to different universes. For those brave enough to sail the void as buccaneers, there's adventure and booty to be had.

Multiverse + Cyberpunk. The multiverse is ruled by vast, dimension-spanning corporations. PC types can be mercs for hire in a bustling inter-dimensional economy, or can be rebels fighting back against the corps.

Multiverse + Free Trading. The PCs crew a tramp trade-ship that jumps from reality to reality, buying and selling.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:53 AM   #125
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I would want at least a couple Americas that were never colonized from Europe. Maybe a variant of Ezcalli with North America independent to some degree, and definitely a union of Native American neo-states.
Without some kind of protect such Americas would be effectively crippled to insignificance by Western diseases specially if smallpox from one of these other Americas gets loose.
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The biggest one I'd like to see is a mashup with dungeon crawling. The PCs hop from universe to universe, hackin' exotic foes and collecting treasure.
Time Bandits. The interesting question is framing: how do the bandits get from universe to universe? Is it a map to existing portals, as in the movie, or something else?

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Time Traveller. Already mentioned up-thread, starting in post #9.
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:25 PM   #127
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Without some kind of protect such Americas would be effectively crippled to insignificance by Western diseases specially if smallpox from one of these other Americas gets loose.
The danger of cross-dimensional infectious diseases is already rather understated in any campaign.
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The danger of cross-dimensional infectious diseases is already rather understated in any campaign.
In a campaign where this is an in-context fact rather than a genre convention, it could point to a long pattern of cross-dimensional contacts in the past. Since the vectors would likely be individuals or small groups, the outbreaks would normally have been less than catastrophic and allow immunities to develop over time. Most timelines have fairly restricted in-world transportation, so diseases would be leveled across alternate versions of the same continent while not necessarily being shared between continents.
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In a campaign where this is an in-context fact rather than a genre convention, it could point to a long pattern of cross-dimensional contacts in the past. Since the vectors would likely be individuals or small groups, the outbreaks would normally have been less than catastrophic and allow immunities to develop over time. Most timelines have fairly restricted in-world transportation, so diseases would be leveled across alternate versions of the same continent while not necessarily being shared between continents.
I think itīs a the other way, even fairly low tech societies, had diseases travelling via silk road, ocean going ships from continent to continent, just look at the plague, which hir the old Rome under Justinian, only to come back in medieval times. As long as enough people are there so that the deisease can spread out and still finding new victims there is no natural dying out of the disease. the so called new world also had some nasty things that moved with ease through europe, even if it was not such a killer than smallpox. and in low tech societies people only can pray but otherwise donīt do much whit every mass being a spreader event. Only if there is magical healing the game is changed.
Vaccination and the active development of antybodies and vaccines is a fairtly late TL 8 technique.

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The danger of cross-dimensional infectious diseases is already rather understated in any campaign.
Donīt we have in the Infinite worlds book the gotha worlds, with the hind that all this worlds were linked in earlier times by crosstime travel ?
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Vaccination and the active development of antybodies and vaccines is a fairtly late TL 8 technique.
TL 8 for vaccines? Try TL 5. Heck, Edward Jenner was going on about the idea in the late 1790s and there was a large vaccination for smallpox in 1807.

Even in a magic thinking society (even if magic doesn't really exist) something akin to primitive vaccination could occur via The Law of Association:

People who get cowpox don't get smallpox, ergo if one it exposed to cowpox "correctly" they won't get smallpox
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