01-24-2023, 04:53 PM | #31 | |
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Re: Medieval first aid name?
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An issue with such rules is that it makes Lasting Crippling much harsher if the GM rules it to have involved a broken bone - such wounds basically become Permanent Crippling if untreated (or if, prior to TL 5, the first attempt at treatment fails), making a basic broken bone function as something in between Lasting and Permanent. Amputation, of course, does indeed use Surgery... although arguably Two-Handed Axe/Mace followed by First Aid/Physician can do in a pinch. To be fair, Low Tech does explicitly state compound fractures are Permanent Crippling and beyond the capabilities of TL 4- medicine to restore function. It's possible the authors mistook "compound fracture" to be referring to something else, such as the type of more-complicated break (maybe a spiral fracture, which I understand tends to be much more involved than just setting and immobilizing the bone).
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01-24-2023, 06:10 PM | #32 |
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Re: Medieval first aid name?
Don't confuse the skills with what what the action is called in the setting. Sewing up wounds would be the kind of thing barber-surgeons did (if they were available) but it's still a pretty basic application that would be covered by the skill First Aid.
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01-24-2023, 08:48 PM | #33 | |
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Anyway, it's the comminuted fracture that needs to be surgically repaired with fairly advanced surgery.
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01-24-2023, 11:51 PM | #34 | |
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Re: Medieval first aid name?
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Another option might be "dresser" - though that's a bit too modern. "Nursing" is definitely too modern. Transfer of terminology from the guys who did this sort of thing for horses - horse-leeches and menescalia ("marshals") is plausible too. Roman military medics during the period they had them seem to have been called capsarii, after their box of bandages, so I suspect period sources in Church Latin might use that if anything.
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01-25-2023, 07:43 PM | #35 |
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Re: Medieval first aid name?
Binding wounds and treating them with ointments to reduce the chance of infection goes back to the Iliad (it even has a scene where the heroes cut around a poisoned wound- medics today say don't do that). Arrow spoons and bronze staples to close wounds go back to the Romans. But the combination of tending wounds, and dealing with drowning and near drowning, and dealing with mild poisonings, and dealing with heart attacks and strokes did come to be taught together in a specific historical context in the late 19th and early 20th century. In a low-tech setting a soldier might know how to deal with incisions and blunt trauma but not save someone who drank too much and started to throw up, because nobody had made a list of all the ways people commonly die, found simple reliable ways to treat them, and taught them all together.
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01-26-2023, 12:14 AM | #36 | |
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Re: Medieval first aid name?
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If you look at the benefits Physician skill provides it actually comes closer to what modern people would describe as Nursing, which is an ancient art. Throughout history, physicians have primarily been diagnosticians, and prescribers and monitors of various medical treatments. When the patient couldn't treat a condition or take medicine on their own, it fell to nurses to provide care (or hospitallers for those who couldn't afford a private caregiver). |
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01-26-2023, 01:29 AM | #37 | |
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I can't see any actual reason for this. All it seemingly means is that you record the Herbal Medicine skill (or Esoteric Medicine if your GM is friendly to that) at those TLs for the exact same purpose.
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01-26-2023, 05:09 AM | #38 |
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Re: Medieval first aid name?
It's a holdover from the earliest versions of GURPS. Why Steve restricted Physician (a term actually in use for a medical discipline by TL3 if not TL2 - fisique is definitely the art of healing in Old French, not the natural science physica arguably still is in Late Latin) and not First Aid (which absolutely was not) has never been clear, but controversies in the medical profession about who is allowed to call themselves what have a [long] history.
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01-26-2023, 06:56 AM | #39 | |
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Oh, it's worse than that. Characters claims Physician does not exist prior to TL5. Campaigns gives you tables that describes the results of using Physician at all TLs, 1 to 4 included.
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01-26-2023, 09:19 AM | #40 |
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Re: Medieval first aid name?
Characters says Physician doesn't exist, but is replaced by other skills. It's not saying you can't do what physician does, it's just saying that for some inscrutable reason you can't use Physician's name.
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