10-11-2024, 04:25 PM | #21 | |
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10-11-2024, 11:57 PM | #22 | ||||||
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(The benefit of it being a Wait other than questionable logic about priority conflicts is that if the 'defender' counter-assaults while you're mid-slice, you're always ready to shoot.) Quote:
Unless calling the whole thing off is on the table (in which case, obviously, it's a strong option compared to solo room clearing with barely any kit regardless of tactics) the question isn't 'is this dangerous', it is 'which way gives the best chance of clearing the room without dying'. And there is absolutely no reason to think that that is going to be the same as the way which gives the best chance of not getting shot in the first second. Quote:
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-What's the advantage of engaging targets from outside the room, given that you're going to go into the room? -How do you get the benefit of cover, exactly? You're going to run fully into the open. -You will not be able to claim cascading waits when you enter the room with a Move and Attack, no, regardless of whether you did a radial search. When applied to a door it does have the advantage if nobody's Waiting of letting you end your turn in total cover relative to the room by fully crossing the doorway to the wall on the other side, so that's something.
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10-12-2024, 06:15 AM | #23 | ||||||
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But it wrote it down. It explicitly states this is a special Wait, and describes how it works (you get to take your Step now, but cannot get any movement from it being triggered). So neither character knows the other is taking a Wait. And they both have the chance to see each other at exactly the same time. If I'm Waiting while slicing the pie, and you're Waiting on the other side, I don't think it should matter which one of us happened to declare our Wait first. Quote:
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I stated before that entering the room should be doable with a Wait and Step. However, rereading that section, it appears it does indeed have you do a Move and Attack instead, so you are correct that you would be unable to preempt their Wait. I think you'd still be able to benefit from cover - you can stop moving and engage as soon as you see the target, giving both of you light cover (upgraded to medium with Barrier Tactics), as normal for slicing the pie.
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That's the entire thing. In passing in the middle of something else. This is not how you go about defining an important new maneuver option. We've seen how you do that! (I wasn't there, but it reads like 'a playtester pointed out after the fact that step and wait isn't a thing, and the author crammed in the smallest acknowledgement of that they could manage rather than making any bigger changes'.) Quote:
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Which, I contest, is obviously the case if you're attempting to clear rooms alone without even any grenades (or superpowers). You can't win a firefight, so your only tactic is to try to prevent one developing. This isn't how professional tactical shooters would normally do it, because professional tactical shooters don't normally assault into superior numbers with no armor, one gun, no ordinance, and no rear security. On the other hand, see the Counterattack drill on p22: when ambushed, charge into the ambush laying down firepower. That's crazy dangerous, right? Yes, it sure is: "The Counterattack drill is primarily an emergency special-ops maneuver. Ordinary infantry units, which are often quite large, can afford to first seek cover and find better firing positions before they attack (or even dig in and wait for heavy weapons support). The smaller the unit (such as a reconnaissance patrol deep in enemy territory), the more essential it is to quickly extinguish the threat and to get out of the enemy’s kill zone. It forces the ambushers into cover and disturbs their fire." Quote:
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A somewhat unfortunate consequence of that embarrasment of riches, in great material from the hard-working writers and editors which needed to fit, was that wordcount was tight enough so that literally dozens of 'technically small tweaks of existing rules' were inserted with exactly that sort of economy of space.
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