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Old 04-06-2011, 11:52 PM   #51
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So if I wanted a Cheap Heavy Mail as torso armor, and I wanted it to cover upper arms, and go down his legs a bit, and I wanted a pot helm with nasal and spectacles, and some sturdy gloves and boots, and maybe some kind of under armor padding, and then clothes.... how the heck would I price this out??

How would YOU guys price out 'basic Viking chain armor'??
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Old 04-06-2011, 11:58 PM   #52
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So if I wanted a Cheap Heavy Mail as torso armor, and I wanted it to cover upper arms, and go down his legs a bit, and I wanted a pot helm with nasal and spectacles, and some sturdy gloves and boots, and maybe some kind of under armor padding, and then clothes.... how the heck would I price this out??

How would YOU guys price out 'basic Viking chain armor'??
Using Low Tech.

Basic Viking Mail Armor $1357, 32.21 lbs

Cheap Heavy Mail Hauberk with padding DR 4*, $792, 24.75 lbs.
Iron Pot Helm with Nasal and Spectacles with padding DR 4, $230, 2.96 lbs. (Give wearer No Peripheral Vision)
Boots DR2, $80, 2 lbs.
Gloves DR 1 v. Cutting $15, 0.5 lb. (Give wearer Bad Grip 1 and Ham Fisted 1)
Status 1 Ordinary Clothes $240, 2 lbs.

The hauberk covers the upper arms, shoulders, torso, groin, abdomen, and thighs. The Pot helm covers the skull and gives you a 2/6 chance of a face hit getting DR 3.

Personally I don't know if I'd allow cheap mail in this time period.
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:03 AM   #53
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Using Low Tech.
I'm tryyyiinng! I'm looking at that book RIGHT NOW. But I am totally failing to 'get' this! I don't know enough about the hit locations and stuff to model this...

Uhm, I guess I want this?

http://www.hurstwic.org/history/arti...pix/t_mail.jpg
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:14 AM   #54
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I'm tryyyiinng! I'm looking at that book RIGHT NOW. But I am totally failing to 'get' this! I don't know enough about the hit locations and stuff to model this...
...What could you need to know that isn't on page 100?
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I'd describe the mail as covering the Torso (100%), partial arms (Shoulder + upper arm + elbow, 25%), and thighs (45%), for a total of 170%.

The helm looks like a plate pot helm with a nasal.
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:20 AM   #55
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I'm tryyyiinng! I'm looking at that book RIGHT NOW. But I am totally failing to 'get' this! I don't know enough about the hit locations and stuff to model this...

Uhm, I guess I want this?

http://www.hurstwic.org/history/arti...pix/t_mail.jpg
Okay, in detail. You want upper arms (10%), shoulders (10%), torso (100%), and Thighs (45%). All percentages found on the table on LT100. That's 165% for your hauberk. So you turn to LT110 and multiply the Cost and Weight of the entry for Heavy Mail by 1.65. This gives you the above cost and weight for your hauberk. All armor is assumed to have padding unless it explicitly says otherwise, so that's taken care of.

For your gloves and boots, we just pull them from LT98. For your ordinary clothes we do the same, Cost of Living for a Status 1 person is $1200 (B265), so 20% of that is $240. For your helmet, we look at LT110, use the DR 3 iron cuirass the example lists under the Pot Helm entry as a base and add a Nasal and Spectacles, each of which add 5% to the weight and cost of the helm. So we multiply $200 and 1.6 lbs by 1.1, and then add the $10 and 1.2 lbs for padding to get the extra DR.

You could probably drop down to cheaper clothing for stuff you're wearing under your armor, and save the spendy clothes for the feasthall.
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:43 AM   #56
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Er, I beg to differ. His sword parry with a medium shield would be at 9+2+1 = 12, and his block would be at 9+2+1+1 = 13. The shield plus Advantages make a big difference.
I forgot the defense bonus, you're correct.
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