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Old 06-30-2023, 08:08 PM   #1
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I'm trying to understand the difference between 3 and 4E supers. I see on pages 4 and 5 of the Powers book, there's an attempt to tell the differences. For example, the 3e villain Chemico has alter, analyze, and disintegrate as super powers, but I can't see them in the 4E powers book. Maybe they are in there, but the names had to be changes for whatever reason, maybe to be different? I don't mean to seem to be negative of 4E. I've been a 3E player since 1988 and am forced to look at 4E if I want to incorporate Gurps into foundry VTT. Characters created in Gurps character sheets can be brought into fvtt seamlessly, but I wanted to use the only character examples that I can find, which are in the 3E books. Thanks for your help.
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Old 06-30-2023, 08:48 PM   #2
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Well, Phantasm has a massive list of Marvel characters in this thread.

Which is a good starting place.
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Old 06-30-2023, 08:52 PM   #3
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Thank you very much.
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Old 06-30-2023, 09:10 PM   #4
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Alter is in Powers on Page 94 as the "Transmute" modifier to "Create". Disintegrate is right above as "Destruction". Analyze is in Basic, Page 48 as "Detect"
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Old 07-01-2023, 05:33 PM   #5
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The hardest of the 3e supers to convert over would be any with Passive Defense as one of their main selling points, since PD is simply gone and without a similar enough replacement.

My suggestion for those characters; look at Enhanced Defense and then either Danger Sense so they always get a defense roll or some odd build of Obscure with every possible 'sense' (so Sight, Hearing, Smell/Taste, Touch, Radar, Thermal), Self Only +100%, Stealthy +100%, Always On -50%, Targeting Only -20% ...

This works out to roughly 28 points per level, so if you just want to recreate Passive Defense at 25 points per level which only reduces people's chances to hit them, go for it. I think I just might, it's certainly simpler than trying to makes some weird Obscure build to fit the bill.
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Old 07-01-2023, 05:53 PM   #6
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The hardest of the 3e supers to convert over would be any with Passive Defense as one of their main selling points, since PD is simply gone and without a similar enough replacement..
PD characters are just "good at dodging". Should probably give them Danger Sense if they don't already have it.

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Old 07-01-2023, 05:53 PM   #7
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The hardest of the 3e supers to convert over would be any with Passive Defense as one of their main selling points, since PD is simply gone and without a similar enough replacement.

My suggestion for those characters; look at Enhanced Defense and then either Danger Sense so they always get a defense roll or some odd build of Obscure with every possible 'sense' (so Sight, Hearing, Smell/Taste, Touch, Radar, Thermal), Self Only +100%, Stealthy +100%, Always On -50%, Targeting Only -20% ...

This works out to roughly 28 points per level, so if you just want to recreate Passive Defense at 25 points per level which only reduces people's chances to hit them, go for it. I think I just might, it's certainly simpler than trying to makes some weird Obscure build to fit the bill.
PD is recreated as DB

Defense Bonus [30] =

Enhanced Block [5/level]; Enhanced Dodge [15/level]; Enhanced Parry (All) [10/level]

If you want to recreate the ability of PD that turns attacks without an active defense, Add Cosmic! (See Cosmic Defenses!)

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Old 07-02-2023, 02:07 AM   #8
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Or make it become DR instead.

In the 4th edition, a blow is deflected by the armor when Damage is reduced to 0.
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Old 07-02-2023, 03:57 PM   #9
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PD characters are just "good at dodging". Should probably give them Danger Sense if they don't already have it.
Except it's not. It's "not getting hit" even if your unconscious on the floor. As someone who made a PD 6 super in 3e, trust me, it's more than just "good at defending". Especially if you're a few yards away from the grenade and unconscious on the floor...


However, my "weird Obscure build" seems to be me remembering how my group* did PD and not how it actually worked in the rules. We applied it as a penalty to the attacker's roll, not as a Defense Bonus. So yeah, Enhanced Defense and DR would cover it they way it actually was supposed to work just fine.


* I think we did it that way to reduce rolls and to simulate "armor or force fields bouncing off attacks and the defender not even being aware of it happening". Also it fit the "protects you even if unconscious" better in our minds.
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Old 07-02-2023, 04:56 PM   #10
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Except it's not. It's "not getting hit" even if your unconscious on the floor. As someone who made a PD 6 super in 3e, trust me, it's more than just "good at defending". Especially if you're a few yards away from the grenade and unconscious on the floor....
I'm not talking about mechanics but character concept. Characters who had high PD but not DR were intended to be good at not getting hit. Characters who had high PD because they were armor clad are just high DR characters.
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