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Old 03-07-2016, 05:30 PM   #1741
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Ahhh... you're right about that.

The core idea though is a habitable moon and an inhospitable earth.

Adding a magnetic field may work.
What about having a planet larger than Earth come into contact with Earth, and it makes Earth the moon?

This could also have happened much more recently, so that Earth has the same continents.

It could have even happened very recently, so that human culture was the same until the encounter (would have to figure out what happened to the moon, though). It could be like one of the Tafts, where Earth's pole shifted suddenly.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:04 AM   #1742
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Tundra-1: An Antarctic supervolcano (In our timeline, it's the much smaller Mount Erebus) erupted around 12,000 BCE and rebooted the glaciation, extending it to the modern day. Humanity is extinct, but megafauna such as Mastadon flourish.

Tundra-2: The same volcanic eruption triggered population stresses leading to dense urban cities around the equator, where civilization is stably locked at around TL 2+1 to 2+2. Food-derived caps on population keep the population under 5,000,000: too low to advance farther. The alternate TLs are caused by working around extremely limited resources and by refining the low-TL stuff for thousands of years without access to significant metalworking.

Tundra-3: The same volcanic eruption scattered mana-rich ash throughout the southern hemisphere, permanently bringing the mana level to Normal, and the mana level of Antarctica to High, with a large Very High region in the area of the Ross Sea. The northern hemisphere is Low Mana, but even thousands of years later, storms from the equatorial regions can bring Normal or even High mana surges, and every few centuries a fresh eruption enhances mana levels globally for a few years. All this in addition to the lingering ice age.

Humans here adapted to the magic fairly quickly, and the population stress and utility of magic combined to put homo sapiens through a serious genetic bottleneck. All living humans have Magery of at least level 0, and levels 1-2 are fairly common.

Spells are used to turn barren ice snowfields and glaciers into hospitable gardens, and the most glorious and wealthy are the civilizations of the Center of World, (aside from the Wild Heart, a savage and unpredictable wilderness).

TL is something like 5, not counting magic... although the population needed to achieve that TL could never survive if not for the magical food supply.

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Old 03-09-2016, 11:08 AM   #1743
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Tundra-2: The same volcanic eruption triggered population stresses leading to dense urban cities around the equator, where civilization is stably locked at around TL 2+1 to 2+2. Food-derived caps on population keep the population under 500,000,000, too low to advance farther; the alternate TLs are caused by working around extremely limited resources and by refining the low-TL stuff for thousands of years.
Half a billion was about the Earth's population in the days of Good Queen Bess. When Eleanor of Aquitaine was alive Earth's population reached 300,000,000 for the first time. I don't see a population of 500 million as a technology limiter.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:19 AM   #1744
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Half a billion was about the Earth's population in the days of Good Queen Bess. When Eleanor of Aquitaine was alive Earth's population reached 300,000,000 for the first time. I don't see a population of 500 million as a technology limiter.
Oops, off by a factor of 100.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:22 AM   #1745
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Oops, off by a factor of 100.
I think Earth's population in 3,000BCE was about 5 million. Does this help you any?
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Old 03-11-2016, 01:38 PM   #1746
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Try this idea. An actual wishing lamp, with Djinni in tow lands on a fairly normal parallel about the year 1948. The individual who finds the Lamp is an American isolationist. He accepted WWII, with serious reservations, he understood Hitler was evil but he thought the war was entirely the fault of the European elites selfishly throwing their weight around and that America had been taken for a ride. Similarly, he knows Stalin is deeply evil but he doesn't want American involvement in Europe beyond the reconstruction.

So he wishes up an enforced peace. Everybody knows they can't launch a war. Atomic bombs won't work, rockets won't deliver payloads, troops can't cross borders, war is jammed (many Homeline observers seem to think what's really going on is that everybody "knows" war is impossible, so they just don't try, but no one actually knows).

The local year is 1960, their is still a cold war, but it is being fought by spies, propaganda, foreign aide, and any other tool or method missed in the original wishes.

Basically a world of political maneuvers and dirty tricks.
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Old 03-11-2016, 03:37 PM   #1747
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Due to a lucky asteroid collision the site of the last moon landing was dusted with (insert valuable element here) suddenly there is a luna gold rush .
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:36 PM   #1749
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Due to a lucky asteroid collision the site of the last moon landing was dusted with (insert valuable element here) suddenly there is a luna gold rush .
Here's some old ideas I had along the same lines, for reference:

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Luna-1 Q6

The first moon landing goes normally, but the return rockets fail spectacularly; the two men are mourned by their nation. Spaceflight stagnates. Earth's computer technology, areospace transit, and cosmology are all twenty years behind Homeline at that date. 1999.


Luna-2 Q5

The first moon landing clears away a few inches of regoltith to find massive quantities of pure gold, platinum, titanium, lithium, and concentrated uranium ores, in addition to oceans of buried ice. As a result, space travel research vastly accelerated, and commercialization of space explodes.

By the current date of 2003, human bases can be seen in the shadowed areas of the moon with the naked eye. The USA, China, Japan, Russia, the European Union, Canada, the Pan-American Space Program, India, and Iran all have successful self-funding industrial lunar bases of varying size. Additionally, the past ten years have seen a boom of commercial spaceflight heading to the moon and outward to the asteroid belt.

Computers are, ironically, not as advanced as they were in Homeline at the time; they are about ten years behind because many people who otherwise would have advanced civilian networking instead went into the spaceflight industry.

Spaceflight technology is advanced compared to Homeline, but it isn't fundamentally different. Nuclear power is used extensively, but only in deep space. The biggest difference is that spaceflight is so rewarding that there was sufficient motive to build a commercial spaceflight industry... as a result, the industry rapidly grew much cheaper, and this cycle has resulted in even the most optimistic plans of NASA and other groups coming true.
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:29 AM   #1750
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The local year is 1960, their is still a cold war, but it is being fought by spies, propaganda, foreign aide, and any other tool or method missed in the original wishes.

Basically a world of political maneuvers and dirty tricks.
A lot of this depends on the explicit wishes that the isolationist made. I'm going to speculate on the outcome. I decided to call these the "Pacifist" timelines.

Pacifist-1
  1. Nuclear reactions don't work
  2. Flight doesn't work
  3. Birds can still fly
The wisher didn't think things through on this timeline, given that he wished that all forms of flight are impossible. Unknown in 1948, the Sun is powered by nuclear fusion. Without a wish to restart the Sun, humanity is doomed. Any astrophysicists out there are welcome to comment on what would happen if fusion stopped. I suspect that this worldline would be safe to visit but uninhabitable long term. Homeline is interested in this worldline because they are curious about what happened to the sun.

Pacifist-2
  1. Nuclear weapons don't work
  2. Armies can't cross borders
  3. Explosives don't work
These wishes basically result in a world similar to what Astromancer described. Espionage and biowarfare are the only practical way to circumvent this wish set. Jumpers have unwittingly spread several devastating plagues to other worldlines from this world...

Pacifist-3
  1. Nuclear weapons don't work
  2. No one wants to go to war
  3. I want a ham sandwich
I'm sorry, I couldn't think of a third wish for this one that wasn't redundant. I think this is closer to what Astromancer was talking about than Pacifist-2.

Pacifist-4
  1. Nuclear weapons don't work
  2. Humans cannot kill other humans without a personal motive
  3. Weapons cannot kill more than one person at a time
This might be what the pacifist would come up with in the wake of the two World Wars. War was initially very difficult to carry out on this worldline due to the 2nd wish. Propaganda can overcome the 2nd wish, but was too expensive for the military to rely on. Training soldiers to reliably make nonlethal shots was a far more reliable approach.

This worldline would probably become advanced in "reduced lethality" weapons. Neither the 2nd or 3rd wish precludes their use. Even better, you can build AoE weapons without running afoul of the wishes due to the original wording.

Terrorism and genocide are practically impossible between the 2nd and 3rd wishes.
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