New Reality Seeds

[scc]

tantric, you're confusing two different proposed timelines, the one with Ambedkar diverged in 1930 when someone assassinating several top people in India on both sides of the fence in one day only to be stopped by Ambedkar, Ambedkar ends up stopping India from separating as a result.

The one about racism diverged much earlier, likely before 1850, when the British and Indian nobles started inter-marrying

[tantric]

I thought they were both proposals for creating a powerful India timeline - I just meant that I thought British acceptance of Indians more likely than Indians electing a Dalet. Though, true, I wasn't really thinking of them as distinct timelines, rather as possible means to an end.

[Drifter]

We really need to name these things when we come up with them. Both are interesting realities and both India-centric, but its easy to start mixing things up.

[johndallman]

How about "Sans-Gandi" and "Equal Raj"?

[Flyndaran]

Wasn't Gandhi himself rather racist towards blacks? Not mentioning his other creepy attitudes, of course.

[Prince Charon]

Originally Posted by johndallman

How about "Sans-Gandi" and "Equal Raj"?

I like those.

In Equal Raj, how much linguistic and cultural influence might the Indian nobles have had on Britain? Indian traditional clothing, for example, was very different from that worn in Britain, and a lot of mores were likewise different. Indian food was very popular in Britain, but it was a bit toned down - might it be less-so in this timeline?

I wouldn't expect the Indian caste system to make much headway among the (relatively) liberal British, but that's not the be-all and end-all of Indian culture, by a long shot.

[VulpesFulva]

Well, Class vis-a-vis Caste could be an issue, methinks. Class, of course, being more important in Europe...

Come to think of it, is there really any philosophical difference... wait. One can change Class through "merit" (read, MONEY.)

[rasher]

Originally Posted by VulpesFulva

Well, Class vis-a-vis Caste could be an issue, methinks. Class, of course, being more important in Europe...

Come to think of it, is there really any philosophical difference... wait. One can change Class through "merit" (read, MONEY.)

One can't change class dear boy it's in the breeding. If you have enough money you can marry better and your children could get invites to the right clubs.
If you are brave and resourceful enough to save the country you will earn the gratitude and respect of your betters, but everyone will remember where you came from.

[tantric]

Exactly - I can see British aristocrats accepting Hindi aristocrats as equals much better than I can see a democratic India *electing* and untouchable to rulership. And wasn't there some real world bit about the royal family having a touch of Indian DNA?

Wasn't there another timeline with international royal families? Or was that something from alt-history?

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by tantric

And wasn't there some real world bit about the royal family having a touch of Indian DNA?

Princes William and Harry have identifiably Indian mitochondrial DNA inherited from Princess Diana. That means they'll have some nuclear DNA too, but that's much harder to identify with certainly.