04-27-2020, 08:55 AM | #4721 | |
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Louis Napoleon wanted to declare war on the USA, but needed a neutral Pussia and a friendly Britain to do so. Britain wanted to break up America in order to expand the empire in the Americas. There are plenty of written statements by major British figures about crushing the pride of the Prutians of the USA and taking "the West" and California for Britain. But both the instability of the European situation and the fact that the working classes in Northern England, Scotland, Wales, and the entire population of Ireland, were pro-Union and wildly anti-slavery, meant that Britain needed allies they could trust in order to act. They never got them. I simply tried to set up about the only situation were a serious Anglo-French invasion to aid the CSA could happen. If an Anglo-French invasion of North America had been successful, France and Britain would soon have been at war over the spoils. Which would have pulled Russia, Prussia, Austria, the minor European powers, and the peoples of America into the war quickly.
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04-27-2020, 09:12 AM | #4722 | |
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The U.K. will not stand for the affront and decides to recognize the CSA, somewhat against its better judgment. The U.S. is upset enough to keep the RMS Trent as contraband of war and to keep both the CSA delegation and the Trent's crew as prisoners. The U.K. is forced to issue an ultimatum, if the prisoners are not released forthwith, the U.K. will have no choice but to declare war on the USA and will make an alliance of convenience with the CSA for the war's duration. [The U.K. is repulsed by the CSA's stand on slavery and doesn't expect to continue the alliance in the post-war period, but for now, any port in a storm. The U.K. may find that its temporary alliance of expedience has become rather more permanent than originally expected in the post-war period, but who knows?] |
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04-27-2020, 09:13 AM | #4723 |
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The smart propaganda move isn't to talk up the CSA, but to talk down the union. That's a bit harder to counter.
Malloyd is right that serious land intervention in the Americas is going to end up as a serious mess, and will make Europe take the US more seriously. But I'm also not sure if continental intervention is actually necessary. How does the war go if England conducts a mostly naval war against the union, blocking their trade and ensuring southern trade routes remain open? And how does the rest of Europe respond to this opportunity?
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04-27-2020, 09:20 AM | #4724 |
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In all honesty a Anglo-French Alliance to invade the United States in the mid-19th century sounds an awful lot like an Soviet-American Alliance to invade China in the 1970s. Possibly lots of adventure to be had, but hardly realistic.
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04-27-2020, 12:33 PM | #4725 |
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I'd suggest that they'd go for that old stable, arms sales. If, as a result of the lifting of a Union blockade, the CSA is able to trade, there'd surely be an opportunity for various European arms manufacturers to try to get a slice of the CSA pie.
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04-27-2020, 07:31 PM | #4726 |
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Throw in a cotton blight in the rest of the world and the CSA can stay economically relevant for a little longer.
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04-28-2020, 09:11 AM | #4727 | |
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I'd have thought that messing around with overseas adventures while Britain is distracted would be more appealing than selling to a desperate but increasingly broke nation. I'm just not sure which ones people will want to try (France especially will try something). Not actually infringing on Britain's territory, just doing things they might make a insist on taking half of if they weren't already fighting a war.
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04-28-2020, 11:23 AM | #4728 | |
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04-28-2020, 11:47 AM | #4729 | |
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That's when the French invaded Mexico. Cinco de Mayo Commemorates a battle fought during the time frame of the civil war.
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04-28-2020, 12:20 PM | #4730 |
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True. Hm, that actually was a nearly pan-European alliance (France, the UK, Spain and Austria-Hungary all were involved) and wasn't going all that well even before the end of the US Civil War. A pan-European invasion of the US might be even more of a disaster for Europe than I would have thought.
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