4e rules { Sweeping blows by humans and by giants (SM+2) }

[rkeith]

how do you handle sweeping blows by humans and by giants (sm2+) this question also includes dragon tails

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by rkeith

how do you handle sweeping blows by humans and by giants (sm2+) this question also includes dragon tails

Well you can wait for Technical Grappling...
But pretty much as normal, but note the difference in relative SM would make a to hit penalty for the bigger guys.
Per Sweep (Martial Arts p81) the dragon can learn Sweep (Brawling) for his tail.
One thing people tend to forget is its called "Sweep" not "Leg Sweep" and corresponds to a variety of possible maneuvers.

Edit: By the way your going to get more responses typically with a better subject line. 4e rules is too vague, but had you put in Sweeping blows or something you would have had all the martial arts guys all over this thread to help you out. As it is there less likely to pay attention to it then the rules lawyer types, or the handful that troll looking for newbies to help.

[vierasmarius]

If what you mean by "Sweeping Blows" is attacks with the intention of knocking the target down instead of inflicting damage, see the Sweep technique in Martial Arts (pg 81). If you're talking about wide, swinging punches, that's just a normal attack, possible made as Telegraphic or All-Out. A tail that can attack is a Striker (Basic Set pg 88), likely Crushing with Limited Arc, possibly Clumsy and/or Cannot Parry.

[Psychotime]

I've wondered this myself.

The only real example of a "sweep" I've seen is Whirlwind Attack.

There has to be rules for this sort of thing.

If there's something I could make as a random houserule off the top my head, maybe you can let a SM 2+ character cover an area with any swing based melee attack (or a punch) based on their width. It'd cause knockback (maybe double) regardless of damage type to any target with a smaller SM.

[aesir23]

If you mean broad sweeping attacks designed to knock the opponents weapon aside, then you need to look at Beat (from Martial Arts) or Disarm.

[Psychotime]

You know how giant monsters in fiction are able to swat away an entire team of heroes in one punch just because of the long arc their arms cover?

As far as I can tell GURPS doesn't have any official rules over it past considering attacks from a larger creature as a Large-Area Injury.

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by Psychotime

You know how giant monsters in fiction are able to swat away an entire team of heroes in one punch just because of the long arc their arms cover?

As far as I can tell GURPS doesn't have any official rules over it past considering attacks from a larger creature count as a large area effect or whatever the word was.

Yeah I tried looking that up for this thread but couldn't find it. I know there is a large SM attack counts as area somewhere other then just the trampling and overrun rules. SO many of us are interpreting what the op might want in different ways though I am hoping he replies to clarify soon.
PS: Thanks to Mr. marsh for the subject change.

[Psychotime]

Is it possible the thing I'm talking about was put in Dungeon Fantasy, Dragons, or normal Fantasy? It probably is, because it's very in genre.

I think I can understand why a normal game wouldn't need it, though. Because as far as I can imagine there's no creature in real life that the rule would ever apply to.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Refplace

PS: Thanks to Mr. marsh for the subject change.

Was me, actually. Meaningful thread names ease searches, facilitate tracking discussions through subscriptions, and have a better chance to attract a person with the right answer. Empty names, we hates it.

[mhd]

I'd just make it an attack power with the appropriate modifiers. There's a point of being too generic, or else the combat section would just devolve into a massive if-then chain (if your size is bigger than x, your striker is larger than y etc.).