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Old 03-30-2015, 05:01 PM   #1
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Default heroic archer + extra attack 1

I have a dungen fantasy scout with heroic archer,double shot, quick shot , weapon master bow, fast draw arrow, and extra attack 1.how fast can I shoot and how many arrow can I shoot. Per turn
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:32 PM   #2
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Double shot + quick shot lets you fire two arrows per turn.

That is all the arrows you can fire in a turn.

Without Multistrike, you can't use the same limb for more than one attack. So you can fire your DWA arrows, but then you can use that extra attack only to kick (or head butt... or anything else that doesn't involve your scout's arms).

I have no idea why it is included in the Scout Power Ups, it's next to useless when using your bow.
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:33 PM   #3
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Because of Quick-Shooting Bows which is found on MA119. This requires a fast draw roll and another roll to pull back the bow and release in one attack action but comes with substantial penalties to rolls. However, with these things you can fire an arrow every attack action.
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:33 PM   #4
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If you assume that's Extra Attack (Multistrike +20%, One Skill Only -20%), then your fastest attack pattern looks like this:

Declare a Step and Attack.
Fast-Draw 2 arrows at skill. Fast-Load both at Quick-Shot level.
Attack with two arrows at your Bow Skill -3 + Dual-Weapon Attack (Bow) + Quick-Shot (Bow) bonuses for each shot.
Fast-Draw at -2. Fast-Load at Quick-Shot level.
Attack with a third arrow at your Bow Skill -3 + Dual-Weapon Attack (Bow) + Quick-Shot (Bow) bonuses.

The important thing to remember is whenever you get an extra attack due to a maneuver or advantage, only one attack can be converted into a dual-weapon attack or rapid strike.

Repeated fast-draws are at -2 (MA p 103), though if you can convince your GM that your Extra Attack is really just a version of the mythical Triple Arrow Attack, you can fast-draw multiple weapons at once with a single roll and skip the second fast-draw and quick-shot rolls.
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:38 PM   #5
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Multistrike is overtly supernatural, and appears nowhere in DF, and DF doesn't let you apply non-powerup specific Enhancements.

So while in general you could write up a multistriking archer, a DF Scout has no such option.
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:43 PM   #6
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Scouts also get melee attacks so that may be why there is extra attack on them.
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:53 PM   #7
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Multistrike is overtly supernatural, and appears nowhere in DF, and DF doesn't let you apply non-powerup specific Enhancements.

So while in general you could write up a multistriking archer, a DF Scout has no such option.
Huh. That's not what Kromm says:
http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...57&postcount=3
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http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...03&postcount=4
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:38 PM   #8
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I was snippier than I would have liked... can't rewrite history as it's been quoted, but I deleted it anyway.


Sure it works fine, and it's also the way I would prefer to do it.

But if it doesn't exist in print and you haven't seen the Kromnote, there is no way to know about or exercise the option. I've been playing in DF games on and off for years, and no one has ever thought they could use a weapon for more than one attack (other than a rapid strike of course), rather we all believed the description in the Basic Set was what you could do.

I think the limb restriction in Extra Attack is silly anyway. Anyone can use the same limb to rapid strike, but you can't do it when you paid 25 points to eliminate the penalty?

Very few of the people I play with have ever been to this forum, and those who do aren't here much... So I'll have to send some emails around now :P



oh, and btw, thank you mlangsdorf for the Kromnotes!
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Old 05-03-2016, 08:31 PM   #9
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I'm assuming "double shot" means Dual Weapon Attack here?

What would be the penalties for a heroic archer with weapon mastery to shoot two arrows in one turn, meaning fast draw, ready, and shoot both arrows all in one turn? What would be the penalty for shooting at two different targets?
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Old 05-03-2016, 09:28 PM   #10
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I'm assuming "double shot" means Dual Weapon Attack here?
No, Double Shot is firing two arrows at once from one bow.

Dual-Weapon Attack would be somehow being able to fire two bows at once.
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