Winged creatures and Size Modifier

Anders · 03-29-2015, 07:16 AM

Should winged creatures have two Size Modifiers - one for when they spread their wings and one for when they don't? How much of an increase in SM would be reasonable?

simply Nathan · 03-29-2015, 07:31 AM

Nope. Size Modifier doesn't change with the addition of wings; the wings being easy to hit is already part of their price and description.

Anders · 03-29-2015, 07:48 AM

Yes, but is it reasonable? Take the Flying Lizard from the Swedish campaign world Altor - it has a ten meter wingspan (SM +4), but when it has the wings furled it is roughly the size of a man. Seems that it should be easier to hit when flying than when perching.

ericbsmith · 03-29-2015, 08:02 AM

If you give them an increased SM then that will help offset the penalty for hitting them in the eye(*)... which makes even less sense. What would make more sense is to allow their wings to be targeted at no penalty while flying and a miss to the Torso by 1 hits the wings.

(*)or any other hit location

Anders · 03-29-2015, 08:10 AM

That is a good point. Hmm... they should definitely be easier to detect when being unfurled, though.

Phantasm · 03-29-2015, 08:28 AM

What I'd probably do is give folks a +2 bonus to detect and hit them in the wings while the winged creature is in flight, assuming the wings are of a proper length to permit flight. (Some depictions of Pegasus give him some really small wings....)

Lord Azagthoth · 03-29-2015, 08:35 AM

This does also apply to planes and winged spacecraft?

ericbsmith · 03-29-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tbrock1031

What I'd probably do is give folks a +2 bonus to detect and hit them in the wings while the winged creature is in flight, assuming the wings are of a proper length to permit flight. (Some depictions of Pegasus give him some really small wings....)

Flight includes both the limitations Winged (-25%) and Small Wings (-10%); any realistic biological creature should probably have Winged, not Small Wings, at least if it has full Flight and not Gliding or some other limited version. Many trope Fantasy creatures as well as some sci-fi creatures are depicted as having what would qualify as Small Wings though.

At any rate, what I wanted to say is maybe +1 to detect Small Wings and +2 for Winged.

ericbsmith · 03-29-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Azagthoth

This does also apply to planes and winged spacecraft?

Yes and no. Most planes don't furl and unfurl their wings the way that biological creatures do, so they can't compact their size.

03-29-2015, 07:16 AM	#1
Anders Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Winged creatures and Size Modifier Should winged creatures have two Size Modifiers - one for when they spread their wings and one for when they don't? How much of an increase in SM would be reasonable? __________________ “When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love ...” Marcus Aurelius

03-29-2015, 07:31 AM	#2
simply Nathan formerly known as 'Kenneth Latrans' Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wyoming, Michigan	Re: Winged creatures and Size Modifier Nope. Size Modifier doesn't change with the addition of wings; the wings being easy to hit is already part of their price and description. __________________ Ba-weep granah wheep minibon. Wubba lubba dub dub.

03-29-2015, 07:48 AM	#3
Anders Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Re: Winged creatures and Size Modifier Yes, but is it reasonable? Take the Flying Lizard from the Swedish campaign world Altor - it has a ten meter wingspan (SM +4), but when it has the wings furled it is roughly the size of a man. Seems that it should be easier to hit when flying than when perching. __________________ “When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love ...” Marcus Aurelius

03-29-2015, 08:02 AM	#4
ericbsmith Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Binghamton, NY, USA. Near the river Styx in the 5th Circle.	Re: Winged creatures and Size Modifier If you give them an increased SM then that will help offset the penalty for hitting them in the eye()... which makes even less sense. What would* make more sense is to allow their wings to be targeted at no penalty while flying and a miss to the Torso by 1 hits the wings. ()or any other hit location __________________ Eric B. Smith GURPS* Data File Coordinator GURPSLand I shall pull the pin from this healing grenade and... Kaboom-baya. Last edited by ericbsmith; 03-29-2015 at 08:33 AM.

03-29-2015, 08:10 AM	#5
Anders Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Re: Winged creatures and Size Modifier That is a good point. Hmm... they should definitely be easier to detect when being unfurled, though. __________________ “When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love ...” Marcus Aurelius

03-29-2015, 08:28 AM	#6
Phantasm Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the road again...	Re: Winged creatures and Size Modifier What I'd probably do is give folks a +2 bonus to detect and hit them in the wings while the winged creature is in flight, assuming the wings are of a proper length to permit flight. (Some depictions of Pegasus give him some really small wings....) __________________ "Life ... is an Oreo cookie." - J'onn J'onzz, 1991 "But mom, I don't wanna go back in the dungeon!" The GURPS Marvel Universe Reboot Project A-G, H-R, and S-Z, and its not-a-wiki-really web adaptation. Ranoc, a Muskets-and-Magery Renaissance Fantasy Setting

03-29-2015, 08:35 AM	#7
Lord Azagthoth Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Helmouth, The Netherlands	Re: Winged creatures and Size Modifier This does also apply to planes and winged spacecraft? __________________ May the Force be with us all Dark Lord Azagthoth Star Wars - TRPG