03-29-2023, 05:46 AM | #1 |
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Defense against the gargoyle illusion
How would your lone character defend against this?
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03-29-2023, 08:08 AM | #2 |
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Re: Defense against the gargoyle illusion
Can you provide a page reference for "from the top rather than front hexes" for the HTH attempt? I've searched my PDF for "HTH", "top", "ignore", "re-roll", and "a 6" and do not find anything that supports this.
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03-29-2023, 08:23 AM | #3 |
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Re: Defense against the gargoyle illusion
Landing on top is ITL133, and the "behind" note at ITL117 clearly applies to sides (or top) because you can't make normal attacks in those directions. If need be consider that the gargoyle simply flies over the target, turns around in the target's hex and hence is behind them as it lands.
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03-29-2023, 08:59 AM | #4 | |
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ITL 117 says nothing about attacks from above or "top" whatsoever. The word "above" is used on p. 117 twice, once in the HTH section to refer to a previously mentioned rule, and once in the section under Defending & Dogding to refer to auto-fails on the 4d roll. I've no idea why you would think that attacks from above enjoy the same benefits as those from behind or why a ground figure could not attack a flying figure directly above them but within range. I'll add that "the "behind" note at ITL117 clearly applies to sides" is anything but clear. Are your sides "behind" you? They certainly aren't at your rear; if they were, attacks from there would be made at +4, not +2. A second edition of ITL would greatly benefit from an editor's care to have consistent terminology so that "behind" is replaced with "rear" to obviate bickering over rules that should be simple to understand. |
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03-29-2023, 10:29 AM | #5 |
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Re: Defense against the gargoyle illusion
I agree with Shostak's comments.
I also wonder what the PC is doing during the four turns this strategem requires. He is, evidently, only 8 hexes from the shadow, so not too far from the wizard. I think I'd engage the wizard on the second turn. The wizard could still cast Summon Gargoyle of course, but wizards tend to be lightly armored and squishy, so I am probably better off trying to put some hurt on him on turn 3 if I can. Of course, maybe the wizard is not alone and I can't get to him. In that case, he's probably wasting time with Shadow, since my attention may be taken by other threats. Can one cast an illusory gargoyle already flying? If so, that's one turn saved. If not, can someone please point me to the relevant rule? Seems plausible that the illusion has to start grounded, but I don't recall that rule. |
03-29-2023, 11:11 AM | #6 | |
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That first turn of movement is at creation wherever this is.
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03-29-2023, 12:18 PM | #7 | |
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From above, well that is a different matter. I expect if the gargoyle flew from the front and then dropped onto the victim, the victim would be looking up. I would allow the 6. If the gargoyle was able to fly through a side or rear hex, I would then reroll the 6. The hard part to me is when it is a 5 or 6 for a flying attacker dropping into HTH, where is the hex that the attacker "backs up to" (ITL 117). Given enough air above and the falcon example (ITL 133), such a diving attack is from above. So is the gargoyle merely still flying above the target or forced to another hex? Is it still flying or grounded? In different situations I have ruled differently. Maybe that is the answer: it depends. |
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03-29-2023, 12:58 PM | #8 |
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Given that a flyer is penalized for attacking a ground figure (-4DX, ITL 133), does a ground figure enjoy a modifier to their roll to repel HTH attacks from the air? RAW never mentions it, but it would be consistent with the spirit of the normal attack penalty. |
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