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Old 08-02-2016, 03:35 PM   #51
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A generic longbow is an extremely affordable Acc 3 option

Acc 4 you are looking at either balanced longbows (not cheap, but not thaaaaat expensive), or the pricy but cool balanced composite bow. Add balanced arrows and you can hit Acc 5
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Old 08-02-2016, 06:56 PM   #52
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Why do some give archers Acute Vision?
Acute Vision ads to Per rolls based on vision, suck like to spot things at distant to shoot. And helps them scout
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:53 AM   #53
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Sounds like Move and Attack style favors Heroic Archer where stand still slow sniping shots favors raw skill.

Hmm, I'll do some more thinking about it. Thanks guys!
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Old 08-03-2016, 12:00 PM   #54
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Actually, slow sniping really favors Imbument 2 (Limited skills) [12] and Guided Shot (Bow) DX [4]. Spending 1 FP to remove the range penalties for any attack out to your 1/2 dmg range turns you into an insane sniper. There's nothing else comparable for making shots out past 100+ yards.

+5 skill beats Heroic Archer if you fire every other second, since +5 to skill is better than adding Acc. My usual experience is that players prefer to shoot every second more than they prefer to shoot slightly more accurately every other second, but you'll have to make up your own mind on the value of that.
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Old 08-03-2016, 12:12 PM   #55
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Its not that impossible to get the Acc 4 bow and some balanced arrows to hit Acc 5, so the heroic archer could match raw skill guy at every other round shooting

He wouldn't be able to match him at every third round shooting though
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Old 08-03-2016, 12:17 PM   #56
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don't forget zen archery for slow sniping.
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Old 08-03-2016, 03:59 PM   #57
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He wouldn't be able to match him at every third round shooting though
No, he surpasses him.

Sorry, but 3 shots to 1 is always going to be superior. Unless the one shot is really, really, good and the three are really, really, bad. Like skill 20 versus skill 8 disparity.
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Old 08-03-2016, 04:06 PM   #58
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No, he surpasses him.

Sorry, but 3 shots to 1 is always going to be superior. Unless the one shot is really, really, good and the three are really, really, bad. Like skill 20 versus skill 8 disparity.
It may matter if you're working with severely limited ammo ("Here are the golden arrows of the One Church, use them wisely. No, they don't come in a cornicopia quiver"), or if your skill ends up straddling the bell curve (chances of hitting with one shot at skill 12 is better than the chances three shots at skill 8, equal to 3 shots at skill 9). Finally, if you're relying on other people to buff your shots to have an effect (a mage buffing your arrows so they can hit ghosts), a few good shots helps save FP.

Saying more is better is ignoring the situations where it isn't.
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Old 08-04-2016, 05:50 PM   #59
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Saying more is better is ignoring the situations where it isn't.
Granted. But those situations tend to be niche*.




* Specially in DF.
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Old 08-08-2016, 01:32 PM   #60
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Dual-Weapon Attack Bow MA83 says you halve the penalty for Heroic Archer, nothing mentioned about Weapon Mastery. Does it get a further bonus if you have both, or is it just the one?

With Quick Shooting there is the -6 penalty to "READY" the bow, and a -1 if you have Weapon Master AND Heroic Archer. There is no additional penalty to "READY" TWO arrows instead of just one?

If you do a "Quick Shoot" but you don't fire, can you do a quick ready and AIM and then fire the next turn with ACC bonus? Or is it just a one maneuver to ready/shoot at once? (Without Heroic Archer)

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