Long-Term Geases & Resistance

JCurwen3 · 08-18-2013, 02:33 PM

The rules say you get a Will roll to resist a Geas attempt at the moment you get the request from any given Lilim.

Some Geases may be long term, and sometimes the implications of the Geas (what specific future actions - or inactions - might be needed to actually complete it) may be not entirely clear. This could be especially true when the Geas is not to do something (Geases like this are mentioned somewhere, can't find where).

So, question: if someone elects not to make a Will roll to resist a Geas, because they don't see a problem with the favour, and then later realizes what it might entail and wishes to resist, are they out of luck?

I think the rules say yes, they are, in fact, out of luck. But I was just checking. Thanks!

johndallman · 08-18-2013, 02:42 PM

I'd say they are out of luck. Because that's the way a universe with real demons should work.

Dalillama · 08-18-2013, 03:53 PM

You are correct. They're out of luck. That's the hazard of making deals with demons, after all.

Rocket Man · 08-18-2013, 07:52 PM

According to pg. 149 of the core rules, "When the victim hears what the Lilim wants, he gets a Will roll to resist." That's the one "out" that a victim gets; if he chooses to pass it up, that's his problem.

As others have pointed out, in the classic "deal with the devil" stories, the victim usually doesn't realize the catch in his agreement when he first makes the deal. By the time he does, the blood is dry on the contract and it's much too late to do anything about it.

08-18-2013, 02:33 PM	#1
JCurwen3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY	Long-Term Geases & Resistance The rules say you get a Will roll to resist a Geas attempt at the moment you get the request from any given Lilim. Some Geases may be long term, and sometimes the implications of the Geas (what specific future actions - or inactions - might be needed to actually complete it) may be not entirely clear. This could be especially true when the Geas is not to do something (Geases like this are mentioned somewhere, can't find where). So, question: if someone elects not to make a Will roll to resist a Geas, because they don't see a problem with the favour, and then later realizes what it might entail and wishes to resist, are they out of luck? I think the rules say yes, they are, in fact, out of luck. But I was just checking. Thanks! __________________ -JC

08-18-2013, 02:42 PM	#2
johndallman Night Watchman Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Cambridge, UK	Re: Long-Term Geases & Resistance I'd say they are out of luck. Because that's the way a universe with real demons should work.

08-18-2013, 03:53 PM	#3
Dalillama Join Date: Nov 2004	Re: Long-Term Geases & Resistance You are correct. They're out of luck. That's the hazard of making deals with demons, after all.

08-18-2013, 07:52 PM	#4
Rocket Man Petitioner: Word of IN Filk Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Longmont, CO	Re: Long-Term Geases & Resistance According to pg. 149 of the core rules, "When the victim hears what the Lilim wants, he gets a Will roll to resist." That's the one "out" that a victim gets; if he chooses to pass it up, that's his problem. As others have pointed out, in the classic "deal with the devil" stories, the victim usually doesn't realize the catch in his agreement when he first makes the deal. By the time he does, the blood is dry on the contract and it's much too late to do anything about it. __________________ “It's not railroading if you offer the PCs tickets and they stampede to the box office, waving their money. Metaphorically speaking” --Elizabeth McCoy, In Nomine Line Editor Author: "What Doesn't Kill Me Makes Me Stronger"