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Old 01-24-2017, 06:08 AM   #31
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But hairy smelly people trampling through a place leaving famine, plague, crime, internal feuding, and general lawlessness behind them is always a dark age for the locals even if those same hairy smelly people go home to sell their loot, build grand palaces full of viands, and concubines, and fan-waving slaves and poets chanting of their deeds.
These "hairy smelly people" had no effect on any of the great civilizations at the end of the Bronze Age. Egypt had some trouble from Libyan invaders but they were defeated. So-called "Sea Peoples" apparently raided some coastal towns but their attacks were no different to the operations of other pirates over the centuries.
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:14 AM   #32
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If you aren't in a field, it can be quite hard to distinguish between well supported but disruptive arguments, and well spoken cranks. Is there a good even-handed (which can come down hard on one side if that is the evidence...), independent repository of chronology arguments out there that isn't behind a pay-wall?
https://www.centuries.co.uk/
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:28 AM   #33
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These "hairy smelly people" had no effect on any of the great civilizations at the end of the Bronze Age. Egypt had some trouble from Libyan invaders but they were defeated. So-called "Sea Peoples" apparently raided some coastal towns but their attacks were no different to the operations of other pirates over the centuries.
But that's no fun. Luckily, in MesopotAfrica the Sea People are made of sterner stuff.
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Old 01-24-2017, 07:41 AM   #34
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These "hairy smelly people" had no effect on any of the great civilizations at the end of the Bronze Age. Egypt had some trouble from Libyan invaders but they were defeated. So-called "Sea Peoples" apparently raided some coastal towns but their attacks were no different to the operations of other pirates over the centuries.
So? The story takes place in a coastal town.
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Old 01-24-2017, 07:51 AM   #35
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...I don't think a site by two of the authors of the book self-described as "The only book to provide a serious alternative to the accepted dating" can be described as 'independent' and while it could in theory be 'even-handed' there's no way a reader should trust it to be.

Useful link to know what the position is, probably, but does nothing to promote its credibility.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:23 AM   #36
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...I don't think a site by two of the authors of the book self-described as "The only book to provide a serious alternative to the accepted dating" can be described as 'independent' and while it could in theory be 'even-handed' there's no way a reader should trust it to be.

Useful link to know what the position is, probably, but does nothing to promote its credibility.
I presented this site because I personally think it is worth reading. If my personal endorsement after researching this field for 15 years and writing a textbook on the subject is not good enough then I can't help you.
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So? The story takes place in a coastal town.
You claimed that these people caused the alleged Dark Age. They did not - not even for the locals.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:43 AM   #38
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While you can probably argue that the Bronze Age Collapse and subsequent Dark Age never occurred, I suggest that for the purposes of this thread, we proceed as if it did happen. Especially since the action is going to take place in a fictional land. After all, I'm fairly certain there weren't Incanter mages running around the Bronze Age either so we are already into alternate history territory here.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:50 AM   #39
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You claimed that these people caused the alleged Dark Age. They did not - not even for the locals.
When did I claim that they caused a "the" Dark Age? And in any event, it is always dark for the locals however bright it is elsewhere.
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I presented this site because I personally think it is worth reading. If my personal endorsement after researching this field for 15 years and writing a textbook on the subject is not good enough then I can't help you.
If you really can't, that would suggest that almost no one believes what you're asserting. If you're just not interested in presenting further evidence, that's different.
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