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Old 05-05-2021, 12:53 PM   #1
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Default Examples of failed self-control rolls in fiction

I just had this idea I thought could make for a fun thread. Examples from fiction of what failed self-control rolls for disadvantages might look like. I'll start with some examples. I've been into Star Wars recently, so my examples will come from there.

The Phantom Menace: Jar Jar provides some good examples in his early scenes of what it looks like to convince someone with Cowardice to risk danger by using an even more dangerous alternative.
Attack of the Clones: Anakin's massacre of the Tusken camp could be seen as Berserk, and his poorly- thought-out rush to attack Dooku is textbook Impulsiveness.
Revenge of the Sith: You could view many of the pivotal moments as Anakin/Vader failing an Obsession (Find a way to save Padmé) roll.
A New Hope: Han's refusal to even consider that his ship might be being tracked looks like Overconfidence to me, as does Tarkin's "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?" (Bonus: Not a self-control disadvantage, but Tarkin is definitely Callous.)
The Empire Strikes Back: Luke leaving his training to go to Cloud City is Impulsiveness powered by Sense of Duty (Friends).
Return of the Jedi: Luke cutting loose on Vader is some kind of failed roll, but I'm not certain which. Maybe Berserk or Bad Temper.

So, anyone else have any examples?
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Old 05-05-2021, 02:02 PM   #2
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Marty McFly

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"Nobody calls me chicken."
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Old 05-05-2021, 02:06 PM   #3
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The parable of the scorpion and the frog.
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Old 05-05-2021, 02:59 PM   #4
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Roger Rabbit - Compulsive Behavior "Shave and a Haircut..."

I can't imagine it's more than quirk level, but it did almost get him killed, so, yknow.
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Old 05-05-2021, 03:06 PM   #5
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Your pick from Fraser's Flashman series.
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Old 05-05-2021, 07:50 PM   #6
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Captain Haddock fails self control rolls against Alcoholism in some of the early Tintin books, like the one where he gets drunk on rum in a lifeboat
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Old 05-05-2021, 07:58 PM   #7
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Dr Jekyll (novel version): Compulsive behavior (indulge in "base urges")

In the novel Mr. Hyde is not an alternate personality but a chemical disguise.

On a side note Jekyll is supposed to be pronounced /ˈdʒiːkəl/ JEE-kəl not /ˈdʒɛkəl/ JEK-əl. AFAIK the 1931 film version of the story is the only one where the doctor's name is pronounced correctly.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:44 PM   #8
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Steven Moffat's Series Jekyll had the pronunciation you mention, but only in the parts set in the same era as the novel.

Back to self control rolls, Peter Capaldi's run as the 12th doctor has a few. Punching someone he knew he shouldn't in "beneath the ice(?)". Various examples of bad temper when it comes to him insulting people as a result of a bad temper in the first season too. In his final season there are a few examples of him failing to not be distracted while giving a lecture.
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Steven Moffat's Series Jekyll had the pronunciation you mention, but only in the parts set in the same era as the novel.

Back to self control rolls, Peter Capaldi's run as the 12th doctor has a few. Punching someone he knew he shouldn't in "beneath the ice(?)". Various examples of bad temper when it comes to him insulting people as a result of a bad temper in the first season too. In his final season there are a few examples of him failing to not be distracted while giving a lecture.
IMHO the biggest fail of a self-control roll for the Doctor is the Valyard. In the novelization (which used an earlier version of the script) the Valyard was the Doctor's 13th incarnation. Of course that got changed but he likely shows a critical failure with a self control roll.
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Return of the Jedi: Luke cutting loose on Vader is some kind of failed roll, but I'm not certain which. Maybe Berserk or Bad Temper.
I think this example exhibits a pitfall one can run into in this sort of search: that certainly resembles failing self control for such a Disadvantage, but Luke at that point in the saga, really should not be statted with either of those.

Extreme and focused stressors - such as the Emperor's manipulative monologue - can sometimes cause characters to express behaviors that they don't regularly wrestle with. The throne room example is almost but not quite a match for Provoking and Taunting from Social Engineering.
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