01-24-2022, 01:10 PM | #41 | |
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Here is a sample suit for you: TL 9 Improved Kevlar, flexible armor - Optimized fabric. DR: 2 Weight: 2.7 lbs Cost $220 final price (If styled like fashionable fabrics, the CF goes up by +4) The cost to seal the suit (sealed advantage) is an extra $5 per square foot of armor, which raised the price by a little over an extra $100. ($5 x 21.35 sq ft). The following options are available per the article: Sealed Waste-Relief System Infrared Cloaking Biomedical Sensors Near Miss Indicator Psionic Mind Shield Personal Radar/Ladar Detector Trauma Maintenance Microbot Arteries Climate Control Desert Environment System (recycles water) Extreme Climate Control Air Supply Life-Support System (LSS) Extended Life-Support System (ELSS) Power Pack Please note too, that you can customize the suits by "size" in the sense that the rules give you ways to determine how bigger people will have a larger surface area, while smaller people will have a smaller surface area. The material Improved Kevlar is in issue 3/85 - not 3/96. Me, I purchased all three issues for all of the tech level materials. ;) Now, had you wanted a TL 9 Titanium Rigid plate style suit? It would be DR 3, weigh 10 lbs, and cost $1,300 before adding the vacuum sealed option (or roughly $100). ADDENDA: almost forgot, you can add elements to the helmet like HUD, Radio communicators etc. PS - if you want all three articles for building your own armor from TL 0 on up to Ultra-tech levels, you will also want issue 3/52. This will give you all of the materials possible for armor construction for all tech levels in GURPS 4th edition. Last edited by hal; 01-24-2022 at 01:22 PM. Reason: Addenda |
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01-24-2022, 01:28 PM | #42 |
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Re: Vacc Suits
That seems almost absurdly cheap. The TL7 suit in the Basic Set is $2 million (which is apparently less expensive than real space suits have been!) and the TL9 ones based on mechanical compression are around $10,000. I wonder what the difference in assumptions is?
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01-24-2022, 01:28 PM | #43 | |
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01-24-2022, 01:41 PM | #44 | |
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For instance - Sealed adds an additional $214. Waste relief adds another $500. Biosensors add another $200. Trauma Maintenance adds another $2,000. Climate control adds another $50. LSS adds another $1,000 (but includes some of the options listed above). Large Air Tank adds $200. So call it a fat $4,200 additional cost for an actual Vacc Suit in its entirety - not including any accessories you want in the helmet. ;) |
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01-24-2022, 01:46 PM | #45 |
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That 2 million would be for an Apollo program "moon suit" which is a hand-built prototype designed at a very low state of the art (a _lot_ of gueswork). It doesn't really have anything to do with a msture design 2 TLs levels higher that's mass produced.
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01-24-2022, 01:48 PM | #46 |
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The article treats Vacuum Support as a trivial aspect automatically granted to a sealed suit with a life-support pack. That's definitely inaccurate at TL 8, at least.
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01-24-2022, 02:16 PM | #47 | |
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I can well understand your skepticism for pricing of suits - according to THIS article, NASA has only FOUR functional extra-vehicular space suits delivered from the 1970's left. The question is however, whether or not such suit design will have improved by the time of the next 50 or so years (not sure when your campaign timeline is set to). Elon Musk has offered to supply new suits for NASA, but this sets the parameters of the suits... Musk’s company has developed and made flight suits for astronauts who launch into orbit in SpaceX’s Crew Dragon spacecraft. The flight suits are primarily designed to protect the astronauts in case of a fire inside of the spacecraft, or if the cabin depressurizes. Building spacesuits would be a more complex and challenging endeavor, given the need to survive outside of a spacecraft in the harsh environment of space At a guess, I'd say that what is missing are the PLSS (Powered Life Support System) packs. GURPS sets the power requirement at two C cell batteries at TL 9. Oddly enough, that Article in 3/96 does provide background on radiation protection factors if the reader so desires. Also, there is NOTHING to keep a GM such as William from simply upping the prices he disagrees with as far as Vacuum sealing goes. In the end? I think that he'd be well served to use those rules to design his own for his campaign - assuming he wants to spend the money on two Pyramid articles and spend the time. Not too long ago, I created a "Duster" style coat for use in my TL 9 cyberpunk campaign and it was definitely PRICEY for someone who can't afford to pay close to $19,000 for a piece of armor. On the other hand, it was stylishly effective and designed to look like normal clothing - which was part of the cost (remember, styling adds a +4 CF to the whole thing!). Was that included in GURPS ULTRA-TECH? Nope. But it was an Arasaka Special for my Chrome City campaign. If this is Mars as it is currently today, as opposed to a Terraformed Mars - then I suspect this thing needs more Armor for radiation protection (where thickness of material matters, and DR is directly related to the thickness of the material used) along with other factors. But at TL 9, the whole package adds about $4,200 for life support, extreme environmental control, and a few other odds and ends. It does NOT include computers being attached for any functions that computers may be used for (internal diagnostics etc) nor does it include things like radios, batteries, etc. But the fun part is, much of what was in the article for 3/95 pointed directly to ULTRA-TECH for the accessories, which means that you can plunder ULTRA-TECH for more ideas of things that can go into this. As for me? I know what it is like to wear a catheter - and trust me, it is NOT fun. You couldn't get me to wear a suit that handles body wastes if you PAID me to. Those poor folks are going to have to get used to such things - and one byproduct of a catheter that is badly installed, is permanent scar tissue forming in your bladder that you will never be able to get away from for the rest of our life (barring any further advances in medicine in that area). |
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01-24-2022, 02:48 PM | #48 | |
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01-24-2022, 03:16 PM | #49 |
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Re: Vacc Suits
TL8 Rescue Balls are described in GURPS Traveller core book, page 112 and GURPS Traveller Interstellar Wars page 167.
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01-24-2022, 04:03 PM | #50 |
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It turns out that Ultra-Tech has them as well. See page 77.
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