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Old 10-16-2010, 02:29 AM   #1
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Is there a list where the spells from Magiec 4e are ordered by prerequisite count?
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:06 AM   #2
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last night and think there is a list in the back of there yes i believe so if I'm correct was browsing through my gurps Thaumatology
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:12 AM   #3
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I don't have Thaumatology yet. Is there a free resource?
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:23 AM   #4
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IIRC, Thaumatology lists spells and their prerequisite count, but does not order spells by prerequisite count.

Such an ordered list would be a great help to those designing magical styles.
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Old 10-16-2010, 09:03 AM   #5
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IIRC, Thaumatology lists spells and their prerequisite count, but does not order spells by prerequisite count.
Magic lists spells, and one of the lines in the table are the # of prerequisites.

Of course, in the printing I have, there are several errors on the table (Shape Darkness being the most glaring).
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Old 10-16-2010, 09:36 AM   #6
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The spell flow charts are free to download, but a bit of a hassle to find a spell backtrack it's prerequistes, particularly other colleges which are printed on other pages.

The paperless ideal here is a big database in pdf form. Click on Spell X and a column to the right pops up listing all prerequisites. The case where low count spell X has a list of spells that require it would be overly complex. Spell Z may require Spell X and Spell Y. Spell ZZ may just require X.

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Old 10-16-2010, 09:44 AM   #7
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Also, it would be nice to calculate and include the p.count for those few spell that appear elsewhere, like those in Magical Styles.
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Old 10-16-2010, 12:44 PM   #8
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Check my website (link in sig).

I have a open office spreadsheet with all the spells sorted by prereq count, as well as a page for each college with all the spells in that college sorted by prereq. And yeah, I did that because I was designing my own style spell-lists and got tired of flipping through Magic.
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This is from GCA, so I do not promise 100% agreement with either Magic or Thaumatology, but it may help you out.

Apportation, -0
Beast-Rouser, -0
Beast-Soother, -0
Block, -0
Climbing, -0
Counterspell, -0
Death Vision, -0
Debility, -0
Detect Magic, -0
Dull [Sense], -0
Dull Hearing, -0
Dull Taste and Smell, -0
Dull Vision, -0
Far-Feeling, -0
Fear, -0
Final Rest, -0
Find Direction, -0
Foolishness, -0
Haste, -0
Identify Metal, -0
Identify Plastic, -0
Ignite Fire, -0
Inspired Creation, -0
Itch, -0
Keen [Sense], -0
Keen Hearing, -0
Keen Taste and Smell, -0
Keen Vision, -0
Lend Energy, -0
Light, -0
Magelock, -0
Measurement, -0
Purify Air, -0
Scroll, -0
Scryguard, -0
See Radiation, -0
Seek Air, -0
Seek Earth, -0
Seek Fire, -0
Seek Food, -0
Seek Fuel, -0
Seek Machine, -0
Seek Plant, -0
Seek Plastic, -0
Seek Power, -0
Seek Water, -0
Sense Danger, -0
Sense Foes, -0
Sense Life, -0
Shield, -0
Simple Illusion, -0
Sound, -0
Sound Vision, -0
Suspend Spell, -0
Tell Time, -0
Test Food, -0
Test Fuel, -0
Touch, -0
Ward, -0
Alarm, -1
Armor, -1
Aura, -1
Beast Summoning, -1
Bird Control, -1
Bladeturning, -1
Body-Reading, -1
Bravery, -1
Bright Vision, -1
Colors, -1
Conceal Magic, -1
Conduct Power, -1
Continual Light, -1
Create Air, -1
Create Fire, -1
Dancing Object, -1
Daze, -1
Decay, -1
Deflect Missile, -1
Detect Poison, -1
Disorient, -1
Distant Blow, -1
Extinguish Fire, -1
Far-Tasting, -1
Fish Control, -1
Forgetfulness, -1
Frailty, -1
Glue, -1
Grease, -1
Great Haste, -1
Great Ward, -1
Hardiness, -1
Hawk Vision, -1
Hinder, -1
Hold Fast, -1
Identify Plant, -1
Identify Spell, -1
Illusion Disguise, -1
Illusion Shell, -1
Increase Burden, -1
Independence, -1
Infravision, -1
Jump, -1
Know Illusion, -1
Lend Power, -1
Lend Vitality, -1
Levitation, -1
Lighten Burden, -1
Lockmaster, -1
Locksmith, -1
Long March, -1
Mage Sense, -1
Mage Sight, -1
Magnetic Vision, -1
Mammal Control, -1
Master, -1
Might, -1
Missile Shield, -1
Mystic Mist, -1
Neutralize Poison, -1
Night Vision, -1
Nightingale, -1
No-Smell, -1
Panic, -1
Phantom Flame, -1
Poltergeist, -1
Preserve Fuel, -1
Purify Water, -1
Quick March, -1
Radio Hearing, -1
Recover Energy, -1
Reflect, -1
Remove Shadow, -1
Reptile Control, -1
Restore, -1
Reveal Function, -1
Scrywall, -1
Season, -1
Seek Coastline, -1
Seek Magic, -1
Seek Pass, -1
Seek Radiation, -1
Sense Emotion, -1
Sense Mana, -1
Sense Observation, -1
Sense Spirit, -1
Shade, -1
Shape Earth, -1
Shape Fire, -1
Shape Light, -1
Share Energy, -1
Silence, -1
Slow Fall, -1
Small Vision, -1
Spasm, -1
Stench, -1
Stop Power, -1
Summon Spirit, -1
Tell Position, -1
Terror, -1
Test Load, -1
Thunderclap, -1
Turn Blade, -1
Umbrella, -1
Vermin Control, -1
Voices, -1
Wallwalker, -1
Watchdog, -1
Weaken Will, -1
Alertness, -2
Animation, -2
Awaken, -2
Beast Link, -2
Beast Speech, -2
Berserker, -2
Boost Strength, -2
Catch Missile, -2
Clean, -2
Clumsiness, -2
Command, -2
Complex Illusion, -2
Create Water, -2
Dark Vision, -2
Darkness, -2
Deflect Energy, -2
Destroy Air, -2
Dullness, -2
Earth to Stone, -2
Earth Vision, -2
Encrypt, -2
Fascinate, -2
Fireproof, -2
Flash, -2
Flight, -2
Garble, -2
Gloom, -2
Glow, -2
Heal Plant, -2
Hide, -2
Hide Emotion, -2
Hush, -2
Imitate Voice, -2
Instant Neutralize Poison, -2
Know Location, -2
Light Jet, -2
Madness, -2
Manipulate, -2
Mass Daze, -2
Materialize, -2
Mature, -2
Mental Stun, -2
Mindlessness, -2
Minor Healing, -2
Mirror, -2
Odor, -2
Pain, -2
Pathfinder, -2
Permanent Forgetfulness, -2
Persuasion, -2
Preserve Food, -2
Purify Food, -2
Purify Fuel, -2
Rain of Fire, -2
Relieve Addiction, -2
Relieve Sickness, -2
Remove Contagion, -2
Remove Reflection, -2
Repel Bird, -2
Repel Fish, -2
Repel Mammal, -2
Repel Reptile, -2
Repel Vermin, -2
Resist Water, -2
Reverse Missiles, -2
Rider, -2
Rooted Feet, -2
Seeker, -2
Shape Air, -2
Shape Metal, -2
Shape Plant, -2
Share Vitality, -2
Sleep, -2
Slow, -2
Slow Fire, -2
Spectrum Vision, -2
Spider Silk, -2
Stop Bleeding, -2
Stop Spasm, -2
Strike Dumb, -2
Summon Shade, -2
Tickle, -2
Truthsayer, -2
Undo, -2
Vexation, -2
Vigor, -2
Wall of Light, -2
Wall of Silence, -2
Winged Knife, -2
Wizard Eye, -2
Air Jet, -3
Air Vision, -3
Analyze Magic, -3
Awaken Craft Spirit, -3
Beast Seeker, -3
Blackout, -3
Bless Plants, -3
Blur, -3
Body of Air, -3
Body of Metal, -3
Boost Health, -3
Compel Truth, -3
Cook, -3
Create Earth, -3
Delayed Message, -3
Destroy Water, -3
Devitalize Air, -3
Dream Sending, -3
Dream Viewing, -3
Emotion Control, -3
False Aura, -3
Fast Fire, -3
Fireball, -3
Flame Jet, -3
Flesh to Stone, -3
Flying Carpet, -3
Frost, -3
Fumble, -3
Glass Wall, -3
Grace, -3
Great Voice, -3
Hawk Flight, -3
Heat, -3
Hide Path, -3
Hide Thoughts, -3
Hold Breath, -3
Hunger, -3
Hybrid Control, -3
Icy Weapon, -3
Lend Language, -3
Light Tread, -3
Loyalty, -3
Mage Light, -3
Mage-Stealth, -3
Major Healing, -3
Mass Sleep, -3
Metal Vision, -3
Mind-Reading, -3
Noise, -3
Perfect Illusion, -3
Perfume, -3
Permanent Madness, -3
Plant Growth, -3
Plant Vision, -3
Poison Food, -3
Pollen Cloud, -3
Prepare Game, -3
Rear Vision, -3
Reflect Gaze, -3
Resist Disease, -3
Resist Fire, -3
Resist Pain, -3
Resist Poison, -3
Restore Memory, -3
Return Missile, -3
Rider Within, -3
Scryfool, -3
See Invisible, -3
Shape Darkness, -3
Shape Plastic, -3
Shape Water, -3
Slide, -3
Smoke, -3
Soilproof, -3
Solidify, -3
Steal Energy, -3
Stone to Earth, -3
Stun, -3
Tanglefoot, -3
Trace, -3
Turn Spirit, -3
Walk on Air, -3
Wall of Wind, -3
Windstorm, -3
Wizard Nose, -3
Affect Spirits, -4
Ambidexterity, -4
Avoid, -4
Balance, -4
Beast Possession, -4
Blight, -4
Blossom, -4
Body of Plastic, -4
Body of Shadow, -4
Body of Water, -4
Boost Dexterity, -4
Borrow Language, -4
Catch Spell, -4
Clouds, -4
Cold, -4
Compel Lie, -4
Conceal, -4
Control Illusion, -4
Converse, -4
Create Plant, -4
Dream Projection, -4
Drunkenness, -4
Dye, -4
Earth to Air, -4
Ecstasy, -4
Ethereal Body, -4
Explosive Fireball, -4
Far-Hearing, -4
Find Weakness, -4
Flaming Weapon, -4
Fog, -4
Forest Warning, -4
Foul Water, -4
Freeze, -4
Great Healing, -4
History, -4
Ice Slick, -4
Ice Sphere, -4
Icy Missiles, -4
Icy Touch, -4
Iron Arm, -4
Irradiate, -4
Know Recipe, -4
Lure, -4
Melt Ice, -4
Mind-Search, -4
Mind-Sending, -4
Oath, -4
Partial Petrifaction, -4
Plastic Vision, -4
Predict Earth Movement, -4
Predict Weather, -4
Pull, -4
Rain of Stones, -4
Rejuvenate Plant, -4
Repel, -4
Repel Hybrids, -4
Resist Cold, -4
Resist Sound, -4
Restoration, -4
Restore Hearing, -4
Restore Sight, -4
Roundabout, -4
Sand Jet, -4
Scribe, -4
See Secrets, -4
Sensitize, -4
Skull-Spirit, -4
Snow Shoes, -4
Soul Rider, -4
Sound Jet, -4
Steal Vitality, -4
Stone Missile, -4
Stop Paralysis, -4
Strike Blind, -4
Strike Deaf, -4
Strike Numb, -4
Sunlight, -4
Tangle Growth, -4
Teleport, -4
Vigil, -4
Walk on Water, -4
Walk Through Earth, -4
Walk Through Water, -4
Warmth, -4
Water Jet, -4
Water Vision, -4
Waves, -4
Whirlpool, -4
Will Lock, -4
Wind, -4
Wizard Hand, -4
Zombie, -4
Agonize, -5
Air Vortex, -5
Ancient History, -5
Beacon, -5
Blink, -5
Cadence, -5
Choke, -5
Command Spirit, -5
Concussion, -5
Condense Steam, -5
Continual Mage Light, -5
Continual Sunlight, -5
Control Limb, -5
Control Person, -5
Control Zombie, -5
Coolness, -5
Copy, -5
Create Food, -5
Create Fuel, -5
Create Ice, -5
Cure Disease, -5
Dehydrate, -5
Dispel Illusion, -5
Dispel Possession, -5
Divination (Numerology), -5
Divination (Symbol-Casting), -5
Earth to Water, -5
Entombment, -5
False Tracks, -5
Flaming Missiles, -5
Fool's Banquet, -5
Frostbite, -5
Gift of Letters, -5
Gift of Tongues, -5
Hair Growth, -5
Ice Dagger, -5
Instant Restoration, -5
Lend Skill, -5
Mass Zombie, -5
Musical Scribe, -5
Nauseate, -5
Nightmare, -5
Paralyze Limb, -5
Peaceful Sleep, -5
Phase, -5
Phase Other, -5
Plant Sense, -5
Possession, -5
Rain, -5
Rapid Journey, -5
Reflexes, -5
Regeneration, -5
Relieve Paralysis, -5
Shape Stone, -5
Sickness, -5
Steal Power, -5
Steelwraith, -5
Stone to Flesh, -5
Suggestion, -5
Telepathy, -5
Teleport Other, -5
Thirst, -5
Timeport, -5
Trace Teleport, -5
Turn Zombie, -5
Walk Through Plants, -5
Water to Wine, -5
Weaken, -5
Weaken Blood, -5
Wither Plant, -5
Zombie Summoning, -5
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(continued)

Age, -6
Animate Object, -6
Astral Vision, -6
Blink Other, -6
Body of Ice, -6
Body of Stone, -6
Borrow Skill, -6
Breathe Air, -6
Breathe Water, -6
Burning Touch, -6
Current, -6
Divert Teleport, -6
Dry Spring, -6
Earthquake, -6
Enthrall, -6
Essential Air, -6
Essential Earth, -6
Essential Flame, -6
Essential Fuel, -6
Essential Water, -6
Essential Wood, -6
Evisceration, -6
Glib Tongue, -6
Healing Slumber, -6
Images of the Past, -6
Instant Regeneration, -6
Invisibility, -6
Lightning, -6
Mass Suggestion, -6
Memorize, -6
Permanent Possession, -6
Plant Control, -6
Plant Form, -6
Plant Speech, -6
Prehistory, -6
Projection, -6
Rain of Nuts, -6
Resist Lightning, -6
Restore Speech, -6
Retrogression, -6
Shapeshifting, -6
Shatter, -6
Silver Tongue, -6
Slow Healing, -6
Snow, -6
Snow Jet, -6
Steal Might, -6
Steal Vigor, -6
Steal Wisdom, -6
Strengthen Will, -6
Sunbolt, -6
Swim, -6
Timeport Other, -6
Timeslip, -6
Total Paralysis, -6
Walk Through Wood, -6
Wisdom, -6
Wither Limb, -6
Wizard Ear, -6
Wizard Mouth, -6
Animate Plant, -7
Arboreal Immurement, -7
Body of Lightning, -7
Body of Wood, -7
Boost Intelligence, -7
Breathe Fire, -7
Create Acid, -7
Deathtouch, -7
Distill, -7
Echoes of the Past, -7
Explosive Lightning, -7
Extinguish Radiation, -7
False Memory, -7
Fire Cloud, -7
Flaming Armor, -7
Hail, -7
Hallucination, -7
Inscribe, -7
Lengthen Limb, -7
Lightning Weapon, -7
Lightning Whip, -7
Magic Resistance, -7
Message, -7
Permanent Beast Possession, -7
Permanent Shapeshifting, -7
Pestilence, -7
Phantom, -7
Planar Visit, -7
Plant Form Other, -7
Protect Animal, -7
Rain of Acid, -7
Reconstruct Spell, -7
Resist Radiation, -7
Retch, -7
Rive, -7
Schematic, -7
Shapeshift Others, -7
Shocking Touch, -7
Spark Cloud, -7
Spark Storm, -7
Stop Healing, -7
Strike Barren, -7
Suspended Animation, -7
Teleport Shield, -7
Timeslip Other, -7
Wall of Lightning, -7
Acid Ball, -8
Alter Voice, -8
Ball of Lightning, -8
Body of Flames, -8
Boil Water, -8
Charm, -8
Create Object, -8
Create Spring, -8
Divination (Crystal-Gazing), -8
Divination (Gastromancy), -8
Essential Food, -8
Explode, -8
Flesh to Ice, -8
Great Hallucination, -8
Haircut, -8
Halt Aging, -8
Insignificance, -8
Invisible Wizard Eye, -8
Lightning Missiles, -8
Lightning Stare, -8
Mud Jet, -8
Presence, -8
Propel, -8
Purify Earth, -8
Radiation Jet, -8
Recall, -8
Rejoin, -8
Remember Path, -8
Reshape, -8
Resist Acid, -8
Ruin, -8
Sandstorm, -8
Scents of the Past, -8
Spell Shield, -8
Steal Dexterity, -8
Summon Air Elemental, -8
Summon Earth Elemental, -8
Summon Fire Elemental, -8
Summon Water Elemental, -8
Tide, -8
Warm, -8
Weather Dome, -8
Alter Visage, -9
Animate Shadow, -9
Atmosphere Dome, -9
Breathe Radiation, -9
Cloud-Walking, -9
Communication, -9
Control Air Elemental, -9
Control Earth Elemental, -9
Control Fire Elemental, -9
Control Water Elemental, -9
Cool, -9
Create Servant, -9
Create Steam, -9
Divination (Augury), -9
Divination (Cartomancy), -9
Divination (Dactylomancy), -9
Divination (Extispicy), -9
Divination (Geomancy), -9
Divination (Lecanomancy), -9
Divination (Oneiromancy), -9
Divination (Psysiognomy), -9
Divination (Pyromancy), -9
Divination (Sortilege), -9
Freedom, -9
Geyser, -9
Initiative, -9
Know True Shape, -9
Mapmaker, -9
Mystic Mark, -9
Pentagram, -9
Relieve Madness, -9
Repair, -9
Resist Pressure, -9
Resurrection, -9
Rotting Death, -9
Soul Jar, -9
Spell Wall, -9
Steal Skill, -9
Stiffen, -9
Suspend Magic, -9
Transparency, -9
Youth, -9
Acid Jet, -10
Alter Body, -10
Awaken Computer, -10
Banish, -10
Body of Wind, -10
Burning Death, -10
Control Creation, -10
Create Air Elemental, -10
Create Door, -10
Create Earth Elemental, -10
Create Fire Elemental, -10
Create Warrior, -10
Create Water Elemental, -10
Disintegrate, -10
Displace Spell, -10
Divination (Astrology), -10
Enchant, -10
Force Dome, -10
Knot, -10
Lesser Geas, -10
Monk's Banquet, -10
Planar Summons, -10
Seek Gate, -10
Sharpen, -10
Shatterproof, -10
Steam Jet, -10
Storm, -10
Summon Demon, -10
Alter Terrain, -11
Bane, -11
Body of Slime, -11
Control Gate, -11
Decapitation, -11
Deflect, -11
Dispel Creation, -11
Enlarge, -11
Entrap Spirit, -11
Fasten, -11
Force Wall, -11
Fortify, -11
Graceful Weapon, -11
Hex, -11
Lend Spell, -11
Lesser Wish, -11
Lighten, -11
Limit, -11
Loyal Sword, -11
Machine Control, -11
Malefice, -11
Manastone, -11
Name, -11
One-College Powerstone, -11
Password, -11
Penetrating Weapon, -11
Plane Shift, -11
Powerstone, -11
Quick-Draw, -11
Remove Enchantment, -11
Scry Gate, -11
Shrink, -11
Speed, -11
Staff, -11
Suspend Enchantment, -11
Suspend Mana, -11
Talisman, -11
Temporary Enchantment, -11
Toughen, -11
Amulet, -12
Attune, -12
Bind Spirit, -12
Charge Powerstone, -12
Cleansing, -12
Cloud-Vaulting, -12
Create Animal, -12
Cure Radiation, -12
Dancing Shield, -12
Dancing Weapon, -12
Defending Weapon, -12
Enlarge Other, -12
Ensorcel, -12
Glitch, -12
Icy Breath, -12
Impression Blocker, -12
Invisible Wizard Ear, -12
Lightning Armor, -12
Machine Summoning, -12
Partial Shapeshifting, -12
Plane Shift Other, -12
Power, -12
Rain of Ice Daggers, -12
Resist Enchantment, -12
Shrink Other, -12
Spit Acid, -12
Suspend Curse, -12
Weapon Self, -12
Weapon Spirit, -12
Cornucopia, -13
Create Mount, -13
Crystal Ball, -13
Dispel Magic, -13
Effigy, -13
Essential Acid, -13
Machine Speech, -13
Malfunction, -13
Remove Curse, -13
Steal Spell, -13
Steal Youth, -13
Transform Body, -13
Transform Object, -13
Volcano, -13
Adjustable Clothing, -14
Breathe Steam, -14
Contract Object, -14
Defending Shield, -14
Drain Mana, -14
Enslave, -14
Ghost Weapon, -14
Golem, -14
Quick-Aim, -14
Remove Aura, -14
Repel Spirits, -14
Restore Mana, -14
Spellguard, -14
Telecast, -14
Utter Dome, -14
Accuracy, -15
Animate Machine, -15
Delay, -15
Duplicate, -15
Gauntness, -15
Great Geas, -15
Great Shapeshift, -15
Hideaway, -15
Homunculus, -15
Puissance, -15
Shrink Object, -15
Steal Beauty, -15
Transform Other, -15
Astral Block, -16
Corpulence, -16
Create Gate, -16
Extend Object, -16
Hang Spell, -16
Leak, -16
Link, -16
Machine Possession, -16
Penetrating Spell, -16
Reflex, -16
Spell Stone, -16
Throw Spell, -16
Utter Wall, -16
Enlarge Object, -17
Exchange Bodies, -17
Maintain Spell, -17
Permanent Machine Possession, -17
Spell Arrow, -17
Wish, -17
Blank Spell Arrow, -18
Great Wish, -18
Simulacrum, -18
Speed Spell Arrow, -18
Lich, -19
Soul Stone, -19
Accelerate Time, -20
Bless, -20
Curse, -20
Hide Object, -20
Slow Time, -20
Suspend Magery, -20
Drain Magery, -21
Sanctuary, -21
Suspend Time, -21
Time Out, -21
Draw Power, -22
Rebuild, -22
Wraith, -24
Doppelg�nger, -29
Move Terrain, -29
Transmogrification, -30
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