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Old 05-30-2011, 03:11 PM   #11
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Hello Hohenstadt! Its nice to see that there are other new and confused GURPS players and it's not just me. I don't know if it will help you, but I had a really good thread discussing a martial arts character that I designed (with a LOT of help from people in the thread).
http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=77096
I also have a text version of my character sheet available for your viewing. We started at 150CP but we're now up to around 180CP. In my character sheet, I try and explain how each advantage and skill that I took work, which resource book/page they appear on, and how they relate to each other. Not sure if you'll find it useful, but I'll put it out here anyway.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j7o3flt0ae...gurps_char.txt
I've found this community to be super informative and helpful. I'm sure you'll get all your questions answered.
Remember, (as martial artists) we're all it this together. I'm pullin' for ya.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:26 PM   #12
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Akicita, Bruno. Thank you very much!! :)
Now, why couldn't the rule book just plainly say that?
Since everyone else answered the RAW of your question, I'll swing at this one.

Mostly because it's a "GURPS thing".

A large number of other RPG's tend to come out with supplements/expansions, etc. that "break" the previous rules/mechanics, so that you can do something you couldn't previously do.

GURPS tends to come out with materials that "refine" the Basic Set. They allow you to say, handle Fast Draw contests between multiple players with Fast Draw. They will not, generally, "break" existing information.

One excellent example would be how GURPS:Low Tech handled Melee Weapons weights, which were widely accepted to be too high in the Basic Set. They did NOT come out with a list of new, "corrected" weapons weights that contradict the Basic Set, they basically said "Oh, the weight in Basic is including the scabbard, here's how to figure what the weapon itself weighs". (Please note that I consider this to be simply ingenious, and love it)

So, the big thing to remember in GURPS is that you will never get something for nothing, and that the basic "generic-ness" of GURPS will always be there under the hood.
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Old 05-30-2011, 04:32 PM   #13
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If you are brand new to GURPS, it's quite ambitious to dig through MA already. The combat rules can be difficult enought to fathom without all the extra detail and possibility in MA.
QFT...

If you have some players to hand and can manage the time I would strongly recommend running a number of 1 on 1 mock combats...(don't even really need to do complex charater builds...just pick the basic stats and resonable weapons/equipment levels...shoot for a rough equivalency...then start experimenting with the inequalities!!)

First with just the basic combat rules...

Then with the Advanced Combat rules from Basic...

Then with the Martial Arts rules layered in...

Then with the Magic Rules layered in...

Then small group combats...

But there are a lot of rules to take all at once and seeing how the rules work on a combat map with dice can help lock things in the mind...and give a better appriciation of the next layer's likely effects...

Good Luck!!
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Old 05-30-2011, 05:02 PM   #14
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Trying to learn GURPS, haven't played yet, thanks for your comments on this matter.
I sometimes worry about constantly pointing to these Combat Examples, as I imagine the frequent forum readers get sick of the broken record.

Having said that, I think they're totally useful for those new to GURPS, so I'm going to do it anyway. :)

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Old 05-30-2011, 06:18 PM   #15
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I sometimes worry about constantly pointing to these Combat Examples, as I imagine the frequent forum readers get sick of the broken record.
Go!! Mook!! Go!!
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:09 PM   #16
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Thanks all. Not so confused now. One general question that came up during my readings and PC making with MA skills.

As I understand it, unless otherwise stated, any skill and/or technique may be attempted at the default level listed. Ensuring that any and all pre-requisites are met as well. Is this correct?
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Old 05-30-2011, 10:35 PM   #17
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Thanks all. Not so confused now. One general question that came up during my readings and PC making with MA skills.

As I understand it, unless otherwise stated, any skill and/or technique may be attempted at the default level listed. Ensuring that any and all pre-requisites are met as well. Is this correct?
Yes, even cinematic techniques can be tried at default, only raising them above that is considered out of the ordinary.
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:37 AM   #18
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Yes, even cinematic techniques can be tried at default, only raising them above that is considered out of the ordinary.
And this is an important fact to remember. It's not really worth your points to buy more than a few techniques per skill (If you have a Karate of 15, and you buy +1 Elbow Strike, +1 "Punch to the face," +1 Kick, +1 Exotic Hand Strike and +1 Feint, you've spend 5 points on improving 5 techniques +1, when 4 points would have improved the underlying Karate skill by +1, and thus all associated techniques), so most characters will use their chosen techniques at default. And that's ok.
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Old 05-31-2011, 06:32 AM   #19
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Having said that, I think they're totally useful for those new to GURPS, so I'm going to do it anyway. :)
They are, so please keep pointing to them.
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