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Old 06-20-2010, 11:57 PM   #1
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Default [Martial Arts] Are mollusks susceptible to Arm Lock and Leg Lock?

I'm trying to design a character who is a sapient, human-sized octopus-like creature with four arms and four legs. He has no bone.

I want him to be immune to any Arm Lock and any Leg Lock. He certainly should buy Double-Jointed, but this trait merely gives +5 to break free (Martial Arts, p. 44), far from "immune". Buying Extra-Flexible enhancement on his existing two arms and two Extra Arms makes his all arms immune to Arm Lock (Martial Arts, p. 114), but his legs are left as susceptible to Leg Lock as a mere normal human who just happens to be Double-Jointed.

To make him totally immune to any locks against any of his limbs, what trait should I buy for him? (Or am I misunderstanding something and mollusks should actually be susceptible to locks?)
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:03 AM   #2
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If his legs are basically tentacles too they should qualify for Extra-Flexible probably at reduced cost (about 25% or 35% instead of 50) since their ability to reach isn't improved.

But the way I envision an octopus man he shouldn't have legs at all, they should be eight Extra-Flexible arms with the Foot Manipulator limitation.
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:23 AM   #3
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Default Re: [Martial Arts] Are mollusks susceptible to Arm Lock and Leg Lock?

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I'm trying to design a character who is a sapient, human-sized octopus-like creature with four arms and four legs. He has no bone.

I want him to be immune to any Arm Lock and any Leg Lock. He certainly should buy Double-Jointed, but this trait merely gives +5 to break free (Martial Arts, p. 44), far from "immune". Buying Extra-Flexible enhancement on his existing two arms and two Extra Arms makes his all arms immune to Arm Lock (Martial Arts, p. 114), but his legs are left as susceptible to Leg Lock as a mere normal human who just happens to be Double-Jointed.

To make him totally immune to any locks against any of his limbs, what trait should I buy for him? (Or am I misunderstanding something and mollusks should actually be susceptible to locks?)
You can buy six Extra Arms and take Legless if he cannot choose to walk.

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Buy enough Extra Arms to cover all limbs as arms, with Foot Manipulators (Legless if used as arms) -30% on the last pair - then the guy can still walk on arms 7&8, and if someone Leg-Locks his walking arms, he can choose to go to Legless mode and slither free, but will have to chose between remaining immune and dragging/swimming away or switching back to run away.
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:24 AM   #4
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Arm Locks would probably not work per se, but I could imagine a painful twist, fold or knot could be applied as a Tentacle Lock. Would that mean that the immunity is just a feature?
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:32 AM   #5
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Arm Locks would probably not work per se, but I could imagine a painful twist, fold or knot could be applied as a Tentacle Lock. Would that mean that the immunity is just a feature?
I'd call that a limb wrench, not a lock. I think Jeff has the right of it.
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:39 AM   #6
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Arm Locks would probably not work per se, but I could imagine a painful twist, fold or knot could be applied as a Tentacle Lock. Would that mean that the immunity is just a feature?
That's Wrench Arm, not Arm Lock (nor "Tentacle Lock"). Extra-Flexible enhancement on arms has no effect against Wrench Arm. See Martial Arts, p. 114.
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:40 AM   #7
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Thank you all for the replies.

I assume that my character is not so entirely octopoid; rather, he's more like a human-like upright creature who just happens to have no bones and joints, and he always walks on four legs and grabs with four hands. He doesn't switch arms and legs freely. In this case, should he buy:
  • Double-Jointed [15]
  • Two Extra-Flexible Arms [10]
  • Extra Arms 2 (Extra-Flexible, +50%) [30]
  • Extra Legs (Four Legs) [5]
  • Extra Arms 4 (Extra-Flexible, +50%; Foot Manipulator, -30%; Nuisance Effect, Actually doesn't work as arms at all, -100%) [8] - Covers the four legs.
and pay the total of 68 points for them?
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:34 AM   #8
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That's one heck of a Nuisance Effect.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:03 AM   #9
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That's one heck of a Nuisance Effect.
But I came up with no other way to make legs Extra-Flexible.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:07 AM   #10
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But I came up with no other way to make legs Extra-Flexible.
You could just apply the same +50% Extra Flexible enhancement to the legs. Not strictly RAW, but seems consistent with it. It may actually be worth less than +50% if there is less utility to flexible legs than arms.
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