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Old 09-24-2018, 06:09 PM   #61
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Pedantic note (sorry). She's queen of the United Kingdom, not of England, and in 1941 was a princess, not queen. Queen Elizabeth of England died in 1603, and there has been no king nor queen if England since 1707.
That's how I misread it. What Queen Elizabeth I the Tudor?

The medieval conquest and subsequent annexation of Wales by the Kingdom of England, followed by the union between England and Scotland in 1707 to form the Kingdom of Great Britain.

The union in 1801 of Great Britain with the Kingdom of Ireland created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

Five-sixths of Ireland seceded from the UK in 1922, leaving the present formulation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Therefore the UK of GB and NI is only about 96 years old.

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I haven't read the whole thread, but shouldn't she get somekind of advantage based on the attitude of the British people to their Royal family. There are literally millions of people who'd kill or die for this woman. Tens of millions who, even when they called her "one of the little princesses," regarded her with the same love and loyalty they'd give a family member. Not all Brits care about the royals, but she has one hell of an ally group!
From recent times the devotion to the Royals is about 50%.

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Good call on the Broad-Minded quirk. Elizabeth doesn't appear to have been infected (or as badly infected) by the anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic, racist, and jingoist sentiments which were all too common at the time.

I still maintain that she should have a tiny bit of Theology (Anglican) skill and that many of her skills should actually be covered by Dabbler perks. (e.g., did she ever have to survive outdoors for any length of time, or go through a military style survival course?) But, obviously, not a problem if you're going for a heroic version of the character.
It is not known about her political oppinions. Only suffice to say her mother and other family members were quite bigotted.

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This is a valid point. Especially during WW2, the Royal Family was held up as a model of English virtues (conveniently forgetting the pre-war pro-Nazi sentiments of Edward VII and many members other the upper crust).

It wouldn't be unreasonable to give Elizabeth a level of Social Regard (Revered).
Edward VIII was a well known nazi sympathiser. It's the worst kept secret. Only the media go out of their way to repeat the marriage mantra.

The family would know how to:

Drive a Car
Ride a Horse
Fire a weapon: Pistol or Shotgun most likely
How to behave in a hostrage situation (ie to be extracted)

It is hard to know what other things they can do because they have so many servants to wait on them.

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Keep out of politics
Discuss matters only through the privvy council
Swear in new Prime Ministers
If asked suspend Parliament for new election
Attend functions of the state
Not allowed to vote
Not allowed in the House of Commons
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:30 PM   #62
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Keep out of politics

If asked suspend Parliament for new election
Doesn't the PM report to the Queen once a week? Surely they talk about political subjects when history-changing decisions are imminent, like wars and Brexit?

Who can ask for the suspension? Are they still allowed to refuse as Geo V did?

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Not allowed to vote
Aren't the Royals technically eligible to vote now since they became subject to tax?
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Old 09-24-2018, 09:26 PM   #63
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Doesn't the PM report to the Queen once a week? Surely they talk about political subjects when history-changing decisions are imminent, like wars and Brexit?

Who can ask for the suspension? Are they still allowed to refuse as Geo V did?


Aren't the Royals technically eligible to vote now since they became subject to tax?
As I understand a lot of that is complicated. The monarch is technically allowed to throw a tantrum and stall Parliament. I haven't heard of it being done. I suppose it would be an equiv of a fillibuster but so rare as to only be used as a nuclear option during a constitutional crises.
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As I understand a lot of that is complicated. The monarch is technically allowed to throw a tantrum and stall Parliament. I haven't heard of it being done. I suppose it would be an equiv of a fillibuster but so rare as to only be used as a nuclear option during a constitutional crises.
During the Regency, George III went on strike and refused to sign off any legislation until he got a conjugal visit. IIRC, George V refused a PM resignation and sent him back to form a new government for WWI.
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Old 09-25-2018, 07:47 AM   #65
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Aren't the Royals technically eligible to vote now since they became subject to tax?
The Royals are supposed to remain above politics. There is nothing that forbids them to vote, but I have no idea if that is connected with the tax reason you give.
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Old 09-25-2018, 08:30 AM   #66
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Doesn't the PM report to the Queen once a week? Surely they talk about political subjects when history-changing decisions are imminent, like wars and Brexit?
Certainly. That advice remains absolutely confidential, and the monarch refuses to take a political position in public. A PM who revealed that advice would thereby provoke a constitutional crisis. Nobody wants to do that, because there's no way to tell what the outcome would be.
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Since the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, Parliament can only be dissolved if the Government looses the confidence of the Commons (and a government does not gain it within 14 days), if two-thirds of the Commons vote for a general election, or on the expiry of the five-year term.

There have been two elections since that act passed. 2015 was caused by the expiry of the five-year term. 2017 was voted for by the Commons; the PM hoped to increase her majority, but instead lost it.
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Aren't the Royals technically eligible to vote now since they became subject to tax?
They always have been, it's just considered unconstitutional for them to actually do so. The tax issue isn't relevant, to the best of my understanding.

Edit: Buckingham Palace is in a safe Conservative seat.

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