[Powers] Triple+ Knockback Enhancement

[smurf]

Originally Posted by B9anders

'Acrobatic kicks' do not give dkb. The only mention of acrobatic kicks is the perk that allows someone with abrobatics to kick with that skill. I think you are thinking of push kick.

All shoves, whether it is with Push, A sumo wrestling shove or push kick, get double knockback. That is not a feature of Push as a skill, but of shoving in general. What Push does is allow a fighter use the higher of your ST or your Push skill as your effective ST and then roll swing damage for that ST.

I suppose you could use push kick with the Push skill. But the only benefit over a regular push would be if you targeted the legs or something similar.

I'm sure there was a Push Kick that converted damage to kb, and Push skill which converted to kb, which gives you triple kb.

Now Forceful blows embuement... I'm going to have to investigate this, maybe little missy and her Push 16 skill can push Kick the bully a long way and no one will suspect that little missy could have done that.

[aesir23]

Originally Posted by B9anders

I suppose you could use push kick with the Push skill. But the only benefit over a regular push would be if you targeted the legs or something similar.

Originally Posted by GURPS Martial Arts pg 59

For shove-like techniques, use Push's special Knockback-only damage instead of the usual roll. These benefits affect Push Kick [...]

A high Push skill is the best way to knockback only in (without Powers) GURPS Raw. Forceful Blows is the best way to do knockback and damage

[B9anders]

Originally Posted by smurf

I'm sure there was a Push Kick that converted damage to kb, and Push skill which converted to kb, which gives you triple kb.

No. Push skill gives you swing dmg instead of thr for the knockback. It doesn't give 'triple' knockback.

Originally Posted by aesir23

A high Push skill is the best way to knockback only in (without Powers) GURPS Raw. Forceful Blows is the best way to do knockback and damage

What I meant was that there is no real benefit to doing a push kick with the Push skill instead of just a regular Push with the Push skill, unless you target the legs or something similar (or your hands are occupied). Though I guess the added yard of reach is another good reason.

[aesir23]

Originally Posted by B9anders

What I meant was that there is no real benefit to doing a push kick with the Push skill instead of just a regular Push with the Push skill, unless you target the legs or something similar (or your hands are occupied). Though I guess the added yard of reach is another good reason.

Hmmm, I think I'll have to design a character around Push, Push Kick, and a reach 1-2 weapon some time.

[Snaps]

So what about double knockback and rapid fire?

If I have a 10d attack with rapid fire and hit you with 10 shots, each doing 40 points of damage, doubled to 80 for double knockback, does that mean you take 800 knockback and go flying back 100 yards? (If you are an average sized guy).

I guess with collision damage that's only 10d (10 HP * 100 /100) or 20d if you hit a hard surface. Still, you could get this attack pretty cheap with no wounding or blunt trauma and you are rolling at -100 to not fall down.

[Psychotime]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

(BTW, you can enhance/limit some instead of all levels of an attack, if the GM is okay with it).

Maybe I haven't given it enough thought, but how would you do that with something like knockback? It doesn't even make sense.

That seems like something you do with link instead.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Heck, you could build an attack that was 20d crushing dkb, with nw on 18d of that. Does 2d of real damage, 40d of knockback damage. POW right outa the park.

Oh, that I get.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Psychotime

Maybe I haven't given it enough thought, but how would you do that with something like knockback? It doesn't even make sense.

That seems like something you do with link instead.

Example:
4 levels with dbk
6 levels without dbk

Solution a)
Get two sets of dice, 4 in one colour, 6 in the other. Roll, total separately, resolve knockback damage, sum real damage, apply to DR etc. Remember that knockback is handled before DR, not afterwards ;)

Solution b)
You only have one set of dice. Roll dbk dice first, sum and note the total, roll nondbk dice second, sum and note the total. Proceed as if Solution a).

This is how we handle weird mixed dice situations in D&D where some of the dice can be rerolled if they come up 1s and some can't, or some are one damage type and some are typeless, or other mixed effect situations.