[MA] Push and Push Kick differences?

[Ultraviolet]

Originally Posted by Kromm

The significant difference is in how effect is calculated:

A shove (not "push") inflicts thrust/crushing damage, but at -1 per die if you use one hand and not two, doubled to find knockback but inflicting no actual harm. Since you can roll vs. Sumo Wrestling to hit, you may add your bonus from that skill (+1 per die at DX+1, +2 per die at DX+2 or better).

A Push Kick inflicts standard kicking damage, doubled to find knockback but inflicting no actual harm. Kicking damage is normally thrust/crushing. Since it can be based on Brawling or Karate, you may add the relevant damage bonus (+1 per die for Karate at DX or Brawling at DX+2, +2 per die for Karate at DX+1 or better).

So for two people of equal ST and equivalent skill bonuses, a two-handed shove and a Push Kick are equally effective (a one-handed shove is slightly anemic relative to either). The main difference is what skills you're good at.

Push Kick has the side benefit of using the leg's long reach to deliver its force effectively above or below the target's center of mass, giving a DX penalty if the attack causes knockback at all.

Well, that answers it. The Kick actually *does* do more damage than the hand-push - for using only one hand. But since they normally use both hands, they are the same here.

Sure, what to use is mostly based on whether you have high Sumo or Brawling/Karate, for the damage bonus.

Is the penalty to DX roll to avoid falling down for all Push Kicks? I thought it was only for those aimed at the legs?

[The Benj]

Originally Posted by Ultraviolet

Is the penalty to DX roll to avoid falling down for all Push Kicks? I thought it was only for those aimed at the legs?

Also the face!

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Ultraviolet

Sure, what to use is mostly based on whether you have high Sumo or Brawling/Karate, for the damage bonus.

A bigger issue would be if you are armed or not, wouldn't it?

[Mr Frost]

Originally Posted by chris1982

In Muay Thai the Push Kick can be used as
1) An attack (normal kick)
2) A defence (would be legs parry in GURPS)
3) A Feint/ Ruse
4) A Push Kick in GURPS terms

To me 1) and 2) were different kicks ... they feel different to deliver {also we often used a different style of kick alltogether to block kicks that would be an agressive parry in GURPS} .
1) has less torque for want of a better phrase but is faster .
2) I how you mean , but it still felt {my body can't do any of it anymore} different to deliver .

I definitly see what you're getting at with 3) though . Throws the opponents' rythm off very nicely if you time yours' right .

Don't forget there are many different schools of Muay Thai and in each how and when a technique is used will differ greatly .

Mine was the style of a quite famous at the time Vietnamese champion by the name of Master Sole {I've probably spelled it wrong , it's pronounced Solay and rhymes with the Spanish bullfighting cry of "Olay !"} that was quite different from the usual but was taught to me by an Egyptian associate of His named Akiel abd el Moteleb {again , spelling ... Oye vey} whom I'm pretty sure had modifyed it a bit .
I doubt anyone could actually state the full number of Muay Thai styles accurately except for pure luck .

I know for example our elbow attacks differed from most styles at the time : we were taught to allways strike twice with each elbow {once as you threw it and once more as you drew it back} . Our stance and guard were a bit different too .


On a side note , should you ever meet Akiel {He would look like a 6'2 , 240lb mid 50s Milli Vanilli on steriods with an Egyptian accent thick enough to count as soft cover in GURPS} ... do not lend Him money !
He still owes me $500 from 17 years ago ! :)

[gibberingmouther]

Drizzt Do'Urden from the Dark Elf trilogy uses the push kick with his scimitars as part of a combination at one point ...

edit: sorry i thread necroed ... been a bit absent minded lately because i'm not eating enough ... hmmm