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Old 02-09-2015, 03:03 PM   #101
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I foresee Archer's Trance becoming very popular with any character who can make a decent excuse for buying it.
I was hoping so. I stole it straight from the Mahabharata.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:27 PM   #102
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Archer's Trance is Targeting Vision + Eye for Distance.

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Targeting senses have the capabilities of precise senses and can determine a targetís exact range and speed, giving +3 to hit with an aimed ranged attack.
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You can accurately gauge distances within line of sight without using tools. Error is around 5%; where relevant, the GM will secretly roll 2d-7 for the percentage, keeping negative numbers. The only combat effect is that you donít need a rangefinder to benefit from rules that require one.
If Targeting Vision gives you the exact range and speed, what does Eye for Distance give you that you don't already have?
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:02 PM   #103
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Archer's Trance is Targeting Vision + Eye for Distance.





If Targeting Vision gives you the exact range and speed, what does Eye for Distance give you that you don't already have?
Might want to drop out Eye for Distance, because Kromm clarified that it does not provide a +3 of a precise rangefinder.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:49 PM   #104
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If Targeting Vision gives you the exact range and speed, what does Eye for Distance give you that you don't already have?
Applicability in noncombat situations where you're not planning to shoot what you're looking at. It's kind of a side effect that's being made explicit.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:50 PM   #105
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Might want to drop out Eye for Distance, because Kromm clarified that it does not provide a +3 of a precise rangefinder.
The fact that Eye for Distance doesn't provide that +3 hardly means it can't be included in a more costly ability that does.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:52 PM   #106
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The fact that Eye for Distance doesn't provide that +3 hardly means it can't be included in a more costly ability that does.
Except that the more costly ability seems to include everything that Eye for Distance does, making it somewhat pointless.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:55 PM   #107
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Applicability in noncombat situations where you're not planning to shoot what you're looking at. It's kind of a side effect that's being made explicit.
Nothing says Targeting Vision doesn't work in non-combat situations. If you can gauge the exact range and speed in a stressful combat situation, why wouldn't you be able to gauge it in a non-combat situation?
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:16 PM   #108
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Nothing says Targeting Vision doesn't work in non-combat situations. If you can gauge the exact range and speed in a stressful combat situation, why wouldn't you be able to gauge it in a non-combat situation?
I'm looking back at Kromm's comments, and I understood him to be saying that I should add Eye for Distance to the build. Rereading the comment he made, I can see that he could have meant that if you had the basic trait you would automatically have Eye for Distance too. But that interpretation of what he wrote never even occurred to me. So now I'm not sure what he meant: If having Targeting automatically gives you the benefits of Eye for Distance or if those benefits are a side effect that should be paid for separately.
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:29 PM   #109
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I never said either.
Other then more Detects I was happy with the book and did not expect it to be what you think I want. Nor was I aware that I was whining, especially enough to be singled out by you.

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My post started by quoting you because of your statement regarding what the book was about. I still think that statement was inaccurate.

However, you should not take anything after that as applying to "you' as the third person singular but rather being the third person plural, applying to multiple persons and with differing levels of intensity.

The acceptance of "you-all" as the third person plural might make English a more precise language. :)
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:50 PM   #110
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Ok, I have a question here.
TS is about shooting someone and ES is about sensing or resolution.
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My post started by quoting you because of your statement regarding what the book was about. I still think that statement was inaccurate.

However, you should not take anything after that as applying to "you' as the third person singular but rather being the third person plural, applying to multiple persons and with differing levels of intensity.

The acceptance of "you-all" as the third person plural might make English a more precise language. :)
Well you were a playtester so may know better then I do. But that is what I was hoping to find there, and I wasn't disappointed in that.
charts for hearing and vision, examples and snippets on various uses (like braile and speed reading) and of course new senses and expansions on them.

I pretty much expected it to also include a hierarchy or alignment of modifiers like the angle and Detect ones such as targeting, analysis, etc.
I had a different base cost for using normal senses but like this one better (simpler).
The bonus material was just how many animal senses were covered and I especially liked the targeting ears and lateral lines.
I was less happy with supernatural senses and detects getting short shrift but accept the reasoning and I wish there could have been an optional rules section for things like Penetrating Vision but knew it was very unlikely.

And your last but, apparently your not from the South :)
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