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Old 10-12-2015, 02:48 PM   #1
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I have a few questions.

1. Instead of a double strike, can you perform triple, quadruple, etc. strikes if you have more than one arm?

2. Can one of your strikes from a double strike be replaced by a rapid strike?

3. Could your second attack from a rapid strike be replaced by a different limb? For example, can you perform a rapid strike by hitting with your fist and then quickly striking with a kick?
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Old 10-12-2015, 02:56 PM   #2
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1. Instead of a double strike, can you perform triple, quadruple, etc. strikes if you have more than one arm?
Yep. As far as I know, Multi-Weapon Strike has the same default as Dual-Weapon Strike (-4). A further -1 or -2 per additional limb would arguably be more balanced, however.

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2. Can one of your strikes from a double strike be replaced by a rapid strike?
DWA and Rapid Strike are mutually exclusive by RAW, at least as I understand it. That said, using the penalties for Combinations (MA80) wouldn't be inappropriate IMO.

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3. Could your second attack from a rapid strike be replaced by a different limb? For example, can you perform a rapid strike by hitting with your fist and then quickly striking with a kick?
I see no issue with doing this, although counting this as a Dual-Weapon Attack wouldn't be entirely inappropriate either.
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:54 PM   #3
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I have a few questions.

1. Instead of a double strike, can you perform triple, quadruple, etc. strikes if you have more than one arm?

2. Can one of your strikes from a double strike be replaced by a rapid strike?

3. Could your second attack from a rapid strike be replaced by a different limb? For example, can you perform a rapid strike by hitting with your fist and then quickly striking with a kick?
1. By "double strike," do you mean Dual-Weapon Attack, p. B417? If so, only one of the DWA may be replaced by Rapid Strike by default according to the Basic Set (though Martial Arts expands the number on p. MA127). Page B54 is clear: you cannot use Rapid Strike more than once a turn under any circumstances.

If the character has multiple arms, consider Extra Attack, p. B53 and p. MA44.

2. Yes. See #1. (EDIT: No. I didn't read the question very well. See RPK's reply below.)

3. Yes. The text for Rapid Strike, p. B370, does not require the same weapon/limb be used. The "ready weapon" part means one cannot use the extra strike to attack with a weapon that has become unbalanced from the initial attack because it is, naturally, unready.

See also What Is . . . a Rapid Strike?, MA127 and the Extra Attack special enhancement, Multi-Strike, p. MA44.
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:40 PM   #4
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I have a few questions.

1. Instead of a double strike, can you perform triple, quadruple, etc. strikes if you have more than one arm?
This was addressed by Kromm here:

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Eveything is at -4 for using multiple hands at once. You get one master hand and everything else is at -4 for the off hand. Thus, it's -4/-8/-8/-8. Anything worse and Extra Arms wouldn't be worth 10 points/level.

Treat abilities that remove these penalties normally. Those that remove the -4 for multiple hands at once cost the usual amount and remove up to -4, for at best 0/-4/-4/-4. Those that remove the -4 for off hands cost the usual amount and remove up to -4, for at best -4/-4/-4/-4. Getting both can remove all penalties.
So the short answer is "yes."

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2. Can one of your strikes from a double strike be replaced by a rapid strike?
No. They are two mutually exclusive options. If you have GURPS Martial Arts, this is covered in great detail on pp. 126-127. If not, here's a brief summary:

Everyone starts with one attack. Then add another for each of Extra Attack or having chosen the All-Out Attack (Double) maneuver. Finally, you can turn one of those attacks into a Dual-Weapon Attack or a Rapid Strike. (And if you have Altered Time Rate, you can do all of this once per subjective "turn.")

(Not going into Combinations because if you have the book with those, you have the full rules already!)

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3. Could your second attack from a rapid strike be replaced by a different limb? For example, can you perform a rapid strike by hitting with your fist and then quickly striking with a kick?
You can either attack twice with the same weapon/limb or make two unarmed attacks with different limbs. (If the GM wants to open this up a bit and let someone attack with two separate weapons, though, feel free; it's allowed in Combinations, which are arguably just fancy Rapid Strikes.)
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:42 PM   #5
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Here is a thread where Kromm discusses N Weapon Attack for Fun with Extra Arms

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=96600
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Old 10-12-2015, 09:04 PM   #6
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Here is a thread where Kromm discusses N Weapon Attack for Fun with Extra Arms

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=96600
Good catch. I've edited my response to match.
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Old 10-12-2015, 11:34 PM   #7
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It is also interesting to note that Rapid Strike can be combined with DWA in the specific case of thrown weapons.

(GURPS Martial Arts P. 120, Rapid Strike with Thrown Weapons)

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:15 AM   #8
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I use a house rule in highly cinematic games, allow "rapid Dual-Weapon Attacks" as follows:

To even try a rDWA you'll have to have one of the following: Trained by a Master, Gunslinger or Weapon Master as well as the DWA Technique for ALL involved weapons.

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rapid Dual-Weapon Attack Table
# Atks    Malus
2          0
4         -9
6        -15
8        -21
+2       --6
The modifier is the same as when making the same number of rapid strikes. But you have a few advantages over rapid strikes, eg. you can attack two clusters of opponents (compared to rapid strikes where all the targets must be in adjacent hexes).

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Old 10-16-2015, 01:36 AM   #9
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Okay, so Dual-Weapon Attack is basically the exact same thing as a Rapid Strike, except easier since you are performing the extra attack with multiple arms rather than the same one (or much better if you have more than two arms)? Would there ever be any situation where someone dual wielding two swords would decide to make a Rapid Strike instead of a Dual-Weapon Attack?
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Old 10-16-2015, 01:56 AM   #10
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Okay, so Dual-Weapon Attack is basically the exact same thing as a Rapid Strike, except easier since you are performing the extra attack with multiple arms rather than the same one (or much better if you have more than two arms)? Would there ever be any situation where someone dual wielding two swords would decide to make a Rapid Strike instead of a Dual-Weapon Attack?
If the person had Weapon Master for those swords, his Rapid Strike would only be at a -3 penalty, compared to the -4 for an untrained Dual-Weapon Attack.

Other than that, no, you'd generally want to use the -4 from DWA.
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