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Old 03-28-2022, 06:39 AM   #1
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Using the Fifth Attribute for Quintessence to represent the soul.

You would average IQ and QN then multiply by 5. Each piece has a cost for humanity associated with it and for every 5 points you have, you earn that amount in disadvantages representing your alienation from humanity.

This can be bought off in game with CP and actively trying to reconnect to your humanity.
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Old 03-28-2022, 06:50 AM   #2
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One thing that has often puzzled me in cyberpunk "humanity loss" is cause and effect - it's one thing to be all David Jensen: to be torn to pieces and rebuilt with so much metal that you find yourself questioning your humanity, but when you choose to remove healthy flesh and replace it with metal so that you can be a better killer, has the humanity loss caused the cyberware rather than vice-versa?
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:04 AM   #3
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One thing that has often puzzled me in cyberpunk "humanity loss" is cause and effect - it's one thing to be all David Jensen: to be torn to pieces and rebuilt with so much metal that you find yourself questioning your humanity, but when you choose to remove healthy flesh and replace it with metal so that you can be a better killer, has the humanity loss caused the cyberware rather than vice-versa?
I assume you're referring here to Adam Jensen, the protagonist of the Deus Ex prequels. But that does suggest an interesting way of handling things. To voluntarily get your bits replaced, you need to have already lost some degree of Humanity... and having your bits replaced without your consent (as happened to Jensen) can cause you to slowly lose Humanity.

Of course, practically, I feel this wouldn't really work as a game mechanic, due to creating perverse incentives - "I'm only 5 puppy-kicks away from losing enough Humanity to be able to put some Mantis Blades in my character's arms!"
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:20 AM   #4
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Of course, practically, I feel this wouldn't really work as a game mechanic, due to creating perverse incentives - "I'm only 5 puppy-kicks away from losing enough Humanity to be able to put some Mantis Blades in my character's arms!"
This is a perfect example of the chicken and egg paradox, and why I've always found humanity hard to do.
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:28 AM   #5
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It's also kind of absurd to think that when grandma gets her hip replaced she can become a soulless killer.

Also amputees who receive effective prosthetics usually get improved mental health than the converse.
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:34 AM   #6
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It's also kind of absurd to think that when grandma gets her hip replaced she can become a soulless killer.

People who receive effective prosthetics usually get improved mental health than the converse.
It's true. Basic prosthetics wouldn't cost humanity. I'm thinking it's the peripherals that do it to you, the stuff that makes you "more than human". So there would have to be costs on a sliding scale. Replace your lost arm with a prosthetic no humanity cost, fill that arm up with weapons and augmentations, that would cost.

So your average joe getting the replacement parts out of neccesity isn't affected nearly as much as the street sam trying to pack in augmented strength and mantis blades. He'd pay for the strength and blades, not the arm.
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:38 AM   #7
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I also doubt that running blades, USB ports, or a
designer art skins cause psychosis.
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Old 03-28-2022, 07:47 AM   #8
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I also doubt that running blades, USB ports, or a designer art skins cause psychosis.
Minimal at best, these would if anything cost half a point, but even partial points would eventually add up.

Given the setting cyberlimbs are every bit as good as the real thing, so running blades would be kind of moot.

USB Ports (aka chipjacks) are small, common and cheap, so you'd have to get a lot of them to make a difference.

Art skins, including things like mood skin and glowing tattoos, would depend on factors such as coverage and how "alien" they make you.
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Old 03-28-2022, 08:00 AM   #9
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Minimal at best, these would if anything cost half a point, but even partial points would eventually add up.
There's zero evidence this is the case.

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Given the setting cyberlimbs are every bit as good as the real thing, so running blades would be kind of moot.
Some people think blades are better, hence the controversy about allowing runners with them to compete outside of para-athletics.
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Old 03-28-2022, 08:33 AM   #10
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It's also kind of absurd to think that when grandma gets her hip replaced she can become a soulless killer.

Also amputees who receive effective prosthetics usually get improved mental health than the converse.
Yeah. My wife has had her lenses replaced as a treatment for cataracts; you can see the diamondlike glints when her eyes are at the right angle . . .
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