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Old 07-08-2024, 09:33 PM   #811
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That's one of the things that struck me as most nonsensical barring that killing of hundreds of millions option. Religions simply are not top down organizations, you aren't killing organized practice of them unless you start killing people at the level of leaders of individual congregations.

I'd also point out that pushing very hard to stamp out religion makes the local response even more nonsensical, and it's pretty stretched already. Mysterious supernatural forces are attempting to stamp out the true faith (and the right political ideology at the same time) using murderous extortion to compel obedience to commands they don't even explain. They must be benevolent time travelers! No. It's quite obvious they are evil demon lords or something equivalent, there is no way people are anything like this accepting.
They are not pushing hard, there are dozens of letters roughly every 2 months over the course of 3 decades. That is roughly 10,000 letters total, all highly specific and designed to target the key decision makers at pivotal times. The average person is rarely directly affected, rather indirectly affected through changes of policy many years later. If they pushed hard, threatening millions, they would get strong resistance, that is not the premise of the idea.
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Old 07-09-2024, 02:28 AM   #812
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They are not pushing hard, there are dozens of letters roughly every 2 months over the course of 3 decades. That is roughly 10,000 letters total, all highly specific and designed to target the key decision makers at pivotal times. The average person is rarely directly affected, rather indirectly affected through changes of policy many years later. If they pushed hard, threatening millions, they would get strong resistance, that is not the premise of the idea.
The letters are going to create initial political chaos

The place of religion in places with political chaos is usually dug in and held to tightly, and blaming other religions for the political problems; the potential for religious warfare is likely to strengthen centralized religions unless the heads thereof are targets, too, and to radicalize the more unified non-centralized faiths.

Likewise, racism tends to flare in political chaos.

None of this requires a person from the future.

It does imply a current to the setting entity capable of getting good spying on the "dozens" of targets, and having an agenda, and a set of tools to carry it out. That could be only mildly future tech (most such folk had cell phones in their cars and landline phones in their offices... single-chip bugs could use the line for power and data while the phone is on hook.

Most leader types tend to have very predictable schedules.

The kills tend to be less pat; but again, it needs no futuretech, no precognition, just a death windown that cannot be predicted.

If the political leaders start doing out of character things, unrest, possibly even rebellion can ensue.

Likewise, if religious leaders start going missing or turning up dead, it will create unrest more than compliance.... expect religion to regress and become reactionary and possibly violent.

To be honest, it sounds like a group of fringe religious types having raided the NSA store room...
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They are not pushing hard, there are dozens of letters roughly every 2 months over the course of 3 decades. That is roughly 10,000 letters total, all highly specific and designed to target the key decision makers at pivotal times.
Then I think the effect is being vastly overestimated. A few hundred decisionmakers a year are maybe influenced, simply doesn't get you very many massive changes. In some ways it seems to subscribe to the Great Man theory of history on steroids, where everything is the result of the desires of a few individual leaders, but in reality leaders either pick between a few options that are fairly popular among the people they are leading, or they get deposed. This is [especially] true in a setting where you have established the masses [know] this is happening, and are likely to assume a leader who suddenly starts doing something different is subject to extortion.

Which I think is still the other hole here. The scale is less the issue with popular response than the fact it's based in murderous extortion and people know that. This is necessary for it to work at all (leaders get threatening letters all the time, they aren't going to change their actions as a result unless it is pretty openly known the death threats will really happen), but also means people are watching for it. Any leader who attempts a substantial change from prior policy loses credibility since the public will assume he's being extorted, even if he isn't, and start ignoring him.
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