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Old 01-30-2021, 03:59 AM   #1
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Default Fencer two weapons question - 2 sabers?

Can a fencer get the “two weapons” abilities (e.g. an attack and a 2 hit parry) if he uses two sabers? The book says he must use two rapiers or a rapier and a main-gauche, but the fencing Talent says a saber is also a fencing weapon.

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Old 01-30-2021, 05:42 AM   #2
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The restriction goes away for a Master Fencer.
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Old 01-30-2021, 07:57 AM   #3
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While the text may not state this outright, the intent seems clear to me... the two-weapon ability built into the FENCING talents is limited to one primary long blade (rapier or saber) and a short off-hand blade (main gauche only, though I would probably allow a long dagger or cloak as well).

If you want to wield two weapons of equal size and weight (and other combinations) simultaneously, you need to purchase the TWO-WEAPONS talent.
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Old 01-30-2021, 08:47 AM   #4
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Two sabers is not included in the list of double-weapon techniques taught to fencers found in the description of the Two Weapons talent(ITL 41), so Fencing does not allow one to use two sabers.
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Old 01-30-2021, 09:01 AM   #5
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Indeed; this is a case where the rules are specific enough to make a clear ruling, but you have to know all of the relevant rules passages - the Fencing talent doesn't give you enough information to know how it works, exactly, but Two Weapons completes the explanation.
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Old 01-30-2021, 09:29 AM   #6
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BTW, does anybody know how the Main Gauche works, other than "Like a small shield, it carries a -1 DX penalty."

If you use an off-hand parry does it stop hits from a two-handed sword?
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Old 06-20-2021, 03:20 AM   #7
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While the text may not state this outright, the intent seems clear to me... the two-weapon ability built into the FENCING talents is limited to one primary long blade (rapier or saber) and a short off-hand blade (main gauche only, though I would probably allow a long dagger or cloak as well).

If you want to wield two weapons of equal size and weight (and other combinations) simultaneously, you need to purchase the TWO-WEAPONS talent.
I have a very hard time seeing the intent that you describe.
You have two explicit examples, Rapier+MG, and Two rapiers.
This explicitly contradicts your intention. And on top of that, they state that the intent is to replicate historical techniques.

In light of that, you could argue that the intent is to allow for all historically correct fencing techniques, be it a dagger, a small buckler, or a cloak in the left hand. But your claim that the intent is one long blade and one short seems very far-fetched to me.
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Old 06-20-2021, 02:22 PM   #8
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The text of the TWO WEAPONS talents literally starts with "This is the knowledge of the Florentine style of fighting...". In other words, paired rapiers. This language pre-dates the new FENCING talents so I'm always going to give it more weight in how I choose to interpret things.

It's also interesting to note that the mention of "two rapiers" further down in the description also came from the original version of the TWO WEAPONS talent, but FENCING was a much different animal at the time. The new language has been tweaked a bit, but it still feels like a holdover from the previous version. For me, this is an example of poor integration of the new FENCING concept with the old TWO WEAPONS mechanics. Most of the ACTs in the Legacy edition could've benefited from more polishing and playtesting IMO. The conflation/overlap that some are now trying to enforce between the two talents is what feels like a stretch TBH.

That said, I think whatever approach works for you and your game is fine. There's alot of stuff I do differently that is much further removed from RAW than this is so I'm hardly the arbiter of the 'right' way to play (and I would never want to be).
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Old 07-02-2021, 01:53 AM   #9
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Most likely. I think we only ever saw it being used the one time when Impy ordered Baltars execution. Dont recall ever seeing it at any other time.
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