Who will replace the Hymenopterans?

zot · 08-09-2018, 01:22 AM

The Hymenopterans were my favorite monsters. They reminded me of the Sleestaks from Land of the Lost, with their alien culture and technology. The Droyne were my favorite Traveller race -- maybe they were influenced by the Hymenopterans.

I sure hope there will be another monstrous culture to replace them. Maybe one with artifacts. I've REALLY enjoyed Steve's creative extras posts -- I ran a TFT game last night for a group new to the game and the Cheesemaker's ball came up at the table.

I have great confidence that TFT Legacy will have something as good as, or better than the Hymenopterans!

No pressure, Steve...

larsdangly · 08-09-2018, 09:03 AM

Why are Hymenopterans being removed?

Rick_Smith · 08-09-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by larsdangly

Why are Hymenopterans being removed?

Howard Thompson has the rights to Chitin I, so to be safe, Steve Jackson is not carrying them across. Legally he is likely OK, but better safe than sorry.

I was a huge fan of the bugs and likely have 100 or so hand drawn bugs (in many subspecies), as well as more from the counters sheets I made for my fanzines.

Warm regards, Rick.

Shadekeep · 08-09-2018, 09:39 AM

Curious that anyone else should claim rights to the Hymenopterans, since they are basically (hah!) lifted directly from Jack Vance's "The Dragon Masters". If anyone has the rights to those, it's Jack's estate. I should know, I do work for them. ^_^

If Steve Jackson wants to include the beasts from "The Dragon Masters", or any other Vance materials, I am happy to facilitate communications there. Can't guarantee anything, but worth trying if there is interest.

Rick_Smith · 08-09-2018, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadekeep

Curious that anyone else should claim rights to the Hymenopterans, since they are basically (hah!) lifted directly from Jack Vance's "The Dragon Masters". If anyone has the rights to those, it's Jack's estate. I should know, I do work for them. ^_^ ...

Hi Shadekeep.
I am a huge fan of "The Dragon Masters!" After that story, I started looking for Jack Vance, and was well rewarded for my search. (Gushing fan boy mode on.)

Pass on my well wishes, and my enthusiasm of Jack's work, to his heirs.

Warm regards, Rick.

Shadekeep · 08-09-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick_Smith

Hi Shadekeep.
I am a huge fan of "The Dragon Masters"! After that story, I started looking for Jack Vance, and was well rewarded for my search. (Gushing fan boy mode on.)

Pass on my well wishes, and my enthusiasm of Jack's work to his heirs.

Warm regards, Rick.

Hello Rick, always good to meet a fellow Vancian! Jack's work had so much influence on the formative days of gaming (*cough* D&D's magic system) and I'm delighted to see it live on in others.

JLV · 08-09-2018, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadekeep

Curious that anyone else should claim rights to the Hymenopterans, since they are basically (hah!) lifted directly from Jack Vance's "The Dragon Masters". If anyone has the rights to those, it's Jack's estate. I should know, I do work for them. ^_^

If Steve Jackson wants to include the beasts from "The Dragon Masters", or any other Vance materials, I am happy to facilitate communications there. Can't guarantee anything, but worth trying if there is interest.

How lucky you are! I LOVE me some Jack Vance. One of the best authors in the business, in my opinion. I miss his brilliance.

(And I'm glad to see someone else clearly recognized the blatant rip-off of Vance's Dragonmasters in the form of the Hymenopterans!)

zot · 08-09-2018, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadekeep

Curious that anyone else should claim rights to the Hymenopterans, since they are basically (hah!) lifted directly from Jack Vance's "The Dragon Masters". If anyone has the rights to those, it's Jack's estate. I should know, I do work for them. ^_^

If Steve Jackson wants to include the beasts from "The Dragon Masters", or any other Vance materials, I am happy to facilitate communications there. Can't guarantee anything, but worth trying if there is interest.

I seem to remember Chitin: One listing Starship Troopers in the bibliography but I'm not sure about Dragon Masters.

zot · 08-09-2018, 02:11 PM

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I seem to remember Chitin: One listing Starship Troopers in the bibliography but I'm not sure about Dragon Masters.

No Chitin: I acknowledges Dragon Masters first, right in the front of the game, then The Last Castle, and Hellstrom's Hive.

David Bofinger · 08-09-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadekeep

lifted directly from Jack Vance's "The Dragon Masters".

The names are ripped off from Dragon Masters but the creatures are completely different: insectile rather than reptiles, non-technological, eusocial.

Lots of RPGS &c have had civilisations where the humans breed and direct non-mammals, e.g. knights riding dinosaurs. But a civilisation where non-human(oid)s breed and direct human(oid)s, as in Vance's Dragon Masters or Tschai/Planet of Adventure series, is creepy enough it would be fun to add.

08-09-2018, 01:22 AM	#1
zot Join Date: May 2018	Who will replace the Hymenopterans? The Hymenopterans were my favorite monsters. They reminded me of the Sleestaks from Land of the Lost, with their alien culture and technology. The Droyne were my favorite Traveller race -- maybe they were influenced by the Hymenopterans. I sure hope there will be another monstrous culture to replace them. Maybe one with artifacts. I've REALLY enjoyed Steve's creative extras posts -- I ran a TFT game last night for a group new to the game and the Cheesemaker's ball came up at the table. I have great confidence that TFT Legacy will have something as good as, or better than the Hymenopterans! No pressure, Steve...

08-09-2018, 09:03 AM	#2
larsdangly Join Date: Dec 2017	Re: Who will replace the Hymenopterans? Why are Hymenopterans being removed?

08-09-2018, 09:39 AM	#4
Shadekeep Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Aerlith	Re: Who will replace the Hymenopterans? Curious that anyone else should claim rights to the Hymenopterans, since they are basically (hah!) lifted directly from Jack Vance's "The Dragon Masters". If anyone has the rights to those, it's Jack's estate. I should know, I do work for them. ^_^ If Steve Jackson wants to include the beasts from "The Dragon Masters", or any other Vance materials, I am happy to facilitate communications there. Can't guarantee anything, but worth trying if there is interest.